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Welcome to Not Quite Right.

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My name's Ed, and I'm Amanda.

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We are back at Words on the Waves for
2026.

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It's our fourth time at Words on the
Waves.

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Yeah.

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And I'm super excited to be back here.

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We're part of the furniture here now.

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We are.

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It's a fun experience every year.

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Last year,
we had a very echoey room with an

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excellent view.

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This year, hopefully a less echoey room,
but with no view, unfortunately.

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Well, we can look at each other.

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We can look at each other.

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That's that's all the view that we need.

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We came here last night, actually.

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We went and saw Story Club.

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Yeah.

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Presented by OSHA Ginsburg and Zoe Norton
Lodge, which we've seen every year so far.

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It's always a great time.

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And then tonight we're going to see the
poultry Slam,

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which was a lot of fun last year.

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Yeah.

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Are you going to read a poem?

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I would love to, but alas, I'm not a poet.

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Maybe one day, maybe I'm tempted.

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Do you wanna?

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Maybe we should both do it next year.

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What do you reckon?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That'd be great.

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So this will be the first of a series
series of interviews from our time at

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Words on the Waves.

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And our first interview today is with
Juliet Reeden,

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who is the biographer of Quentin Bryce's
Dame Quentin Bryce.

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Dame Quentin Bryce is of course the first
female Governor General of Australia.

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And we had a very quick chat with Juliet
this morning because she had to rush out

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the door.

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Would have liked to have a little bit
longer to pick her brain.

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But nevertheless,
it was a lovely chat and we learned a

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little bit about the Royal fans and about
Australian political history and it was

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very eye opening.

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So here is our discussion with Juliet
Reeden.

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Well,
we are here at Words on the Waves with

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Juliet Reeden.

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How are you Juliet?

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I'm very well.

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Beautiful place you've got here.

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Goodness me.

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It's a lovely day for it as well.

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So tell us about what brings you to Words
on the Waves.

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So I am here with the person whose
biography I've written,

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which is Dame Quentin Bryce.

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We brought out the biography in October
last year,

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so it's quite new in the book shops.

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And yes,
it's been an incredibly long journey for

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me writing this biography,
three years in the writing,

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more than a decade in the making.

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Well,
so tell us about that experience working

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with Quentin on on that book.

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It has been an extraordinary experience.

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I first approached Quentin in 2022 to
write her biography.

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I have known her for some while,
and all the time I'd known her,

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I thought that she was writing her own
autobiography.

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I knew she had so much material.

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I've been to her house.

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I've, I've been to her office,
I've travelled with her.

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I know that there's so many stories to
tell.

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She had boxes and boxes of journals of
papers, of letters,

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of contemporaneous notes that she has
written throughout her career.

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I mean,
I think what's most interesting to me is

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that she's obviously known for a very
long time that she was going to live

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quite a big life in,
in the Australian landscape.

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And she,
she made sure that she documented that

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herself.

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So those personal contemporaneous notes
that nobody else had seen before I saw.

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And they're fascinating to read.

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Lots and lots of photos as well.

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So I, I went to Quentin and said,
can I do your biography?

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And she didn't immediately say yes.

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She went away and thought about it.

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She had been approached by many,
many other journalists, historians,

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commentators and and she had always said
no.

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So I was really delighted when she came
back to me a few days later and said yes,

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I'm all in.

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And then she handed over all that
material to me and we got going.

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That would have been great having a
subject to so organised and had so much

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material to work with.

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How,
what was the process like of going

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through that and trying to pick out like
a thread of a narrative?

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Look, I would say she wasn't organised.

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Those boxes were really in massive
disarray, not from particular periods,

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just stuff thrown into boxes.

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Her husband's boxes of records were
beautifully catalogued,

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absolutely beautiful.

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Quentin's not at all.

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So my first job was to actually get her
entire archive into some form that I

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could deal with.

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I also then went into to the National
Archives, the State Archives,

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the library archives,
all the archives of the various places

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she's worked.

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So there was an awful lot of material for
me to sift through.

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I already had a structure for my book
before I started on that material.

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I'd done a number of interviews with
Quentin over the years.

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I knew her life story quite well.

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What I didn't know was all the stuff I
was going to find, of course,

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but I knew the areas I wanted to
specifically look into,

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and so I had structured it.

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That structure largely didn't change when
I wrote it.

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So was there anything there that really
surprised you and what you discovered?

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Oh,
there was so much there that surprised me.

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I think probably the biggest surprise for
me was how hard it has been for Quentin

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behind the scenes.

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I think people look at Quentin Bryce,
They see the wonderful Governor General

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we had the very elegant Governor General.

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They think that everyone admired her
greatly, which they did.

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What they don't know is what went on
behind the scenes, not just in that role,

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but in all of the roles that she had had
before that, which were extensive,

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you know,
federal sex discrimination commissioner,

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the chair and CEO of the very first
Childcare Accreditation Commission.

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And those roles were, were really hard,
as was the governor of Queensland and the

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Governor General role.

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And it was the sexism behind the scenes,
the misogyny behind the scenes, the,

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I mean, unbelievable things.

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You know, when she was Governor General,
she was taken to her office,

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was taken to Senate estimates,
42% more than any other Governor General

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before her.

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Now all of those governors general were
male of course and a lot of the things

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she was her office was taken to be
questioned about at the Senate estimates.

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Enquiries were things like how much she
spent on flowers or or you know, whether,

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whether her clothes were too expensive.

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She did not have a clothing allowance.

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She paid for all of her clothes,
but it didn't matter how many times that

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was said.

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That was picked up time and time again
when she was doing so much more important

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work out there for Australia,
going to Afghan understand for the first

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time as a Governor General,
going out beyond the wire,

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first state visit to China for a Governor
General,

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first Governor General to to travel
Africa.

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There are so many things.

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You know,
she went to 59 countries in her time as

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Governor General, so, and of course,
she had four prime ministers.

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So there was a lot going on.

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It was a very febrile time politically.

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And Quentin,
I think looking on it from my distance as

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a biographer,
I could see that she was like that still

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point in what was a very chaotic world at
the time.

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And it's been quite a long career since
the 60s, right?

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So it's very disappointing that as
recently as just over 10 years ago that

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those issues are still prevalent.

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Do you think it's any better now in 2026?

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Look,
I think what I have seen is all women in

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senior roles have faced very similar
things.

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We of course,
we all know what happened with Julia

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Gillard and you know,
Quentin swore in Julia Gillard.

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So our first female Governor General
swearing in,

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our first female Prime Minister,
you would hope that that was a line in

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the sand.

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But it hasn't stopped.

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It really hasn't.

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I'd like to think we're getting better at
it,

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but there's still an awful long way to go.

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So you mentioned that she made a lot of
notes with the idea in mind that she was

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aware that she had this important career.

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So who do you think the audience was in
her mind for those notes?

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I think she wanted to make them for
history.

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I think she was always aware that her
work will end up in a national archive at

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some point.

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A lot of those notes were about
particular events that she was at and

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things that were happening.

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Australia's bid for the World Cup,
for instance.

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She was there with Prince William and
strangely, Elle Macpherson.

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And yes,
she wrote about that particular scenario.

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She wrote about going to amazing places
for the first time, but you know,

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a lot of them are also about what was
happening with regards to people of the

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day,
prime ministers of the day who were

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seeing her, who wasn't, how it was going,
how she felt,

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whether she felt that she was being
supported or not.

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So tell us that you've had quite a long
career as well in other areas.

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I'm interested as well in your time as a
like a royal commentator and we're in a

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bit of an interesting time with the royal
family,

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new king and kind of talk about
succession and things like that.

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What are your thoughts about all of that?

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Yes, well, I mean,
I've been a royal correspondent

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commentator for more than a decade now,
currently AB CS royal commentator,

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and I've been lucky enough to meet and
interview a lot of members of the royal

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family, including the current King.

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When he was Prince of Wales,
I interviewed him at Balmoral actually.

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Well, in his house,
Burke Hall in the Balmoral estate.

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Look,
the current situation of the royal family,

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it's a tough time.

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It's a very tough time for the royal
family at the moment.

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I think the King actually is doing a
pretty good job.

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I don't know whether you heard his speech
in Congress.

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In America, you know,
lots of people don't tend to listen to

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the King's speeches too much.

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I think everyone was listening to that
one and it was a a master class in

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diplomacy and leadership.

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I think he said things that prime
ministers, our Prime Minister,

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the British Prime Minister couldn't say
and he managed to make a point whilst not

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being rude very tactfully and also
provided a good contrast against the

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speeches of the US president as well.

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Brought a little bit of class into
Congress.

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Very much so.

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I mean,
I know everyone was was a little nervous

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going into that.

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Many people in Britain thought that the
British government should not be sending

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their head of state over to have an
official visit with the president who has

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been very critical of the British
government and very critical particularly

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of the British Prime Minister.

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Obviously the King was there on behalf of
the British government.

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He was there at the at the behest of the
British government and that speech that

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the king made was written by him and Keir
Starmer together.

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So they very much knew what they were
both trying to say there.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think, you know,
what's happening in the US as well is

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also reflected in the UK,
in Australia politics at times and and

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sort of feels like we're moving away
maybe from some of our more traditional

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values and, you know,
you talk about the royal family and so on.

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I guess that's what unites us and is what
differentiates the US.

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So I think it's,
it's interesting to see perhaps how

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Australia and the UK sometimes follow the
lead of the US.

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Yes.

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I mean,
I think that Australia in the past more

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so has followed the lead of America more
than Britain.

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Britain sees, I mean,
I'm British by birth.

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I've lived here for almost 30 years now.

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So I sort of have a sense of both.

8dfa1d8e-e1b1-45fc-a83d-f24940b37c3f-0
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My mother was Australian,
so I've always had a foot in both camps,

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00:12:09.442 --> 00:12:13.770
but I think that Australia always are
coming out of, you know,

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00:12:13.770 --> 00:12:17.479
the apron strings,
trying to cut a few of those apron

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strings with Britain went headlong into
American culture and really started to

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00:12:22.906 --> 00:12:28.539
embrace American culture and sort of cut
ties a little with British culture as as

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00:12:28.539 --> 00:12:33.760
the Australian nation move forward,
I don't think Britain did that so much.

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Britain's always seen itself as an ally
with America,

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but very British and separate.

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Well, look, we have more questions,
which we'd love to talk to you about,

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but unfortunately you're getting pulled
out the door.

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Yes.

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So it was very lovely to meet you, Juliet,
and enjoy the rest of your time at Words

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Pleasure.

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Thank you.

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