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Something doesn't seem quite right.

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Welcome to Not quite right.

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My name's Ed, and I'm Amanda.

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And we are at Words on the Waves speaking
with Michael Burge, who is a, an author,

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a journalist.

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Yeah.

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And he's here at Words on the Waves
moderating 2 panels,

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2 very different panels.

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And that's a big job, being a moderator.

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You've got to read the books,
and then you've got to find, I suppose,

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some talking points and links between
those books to connect with the authors

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and the audience.

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And so he spoke to us a little bit about
that role and also some of the

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differences between and his experience
riding out in the Bush and where some of

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these novels were set in the city of
Sydney as well.

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So here is our discussion with Michael
Burge.

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We're here at Words on the Waves with
Michael Burch.

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Thanks for joining us, Michael.

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A pleasure.

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Thank you for having me.

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So you're here to moderate the City of
Sin.

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Yes, panel.

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Tell us about that panel.

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We have Tara Moss,
whose most recent book is The Italian

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Secret, and Fiona Kelly McGregor,
whose most recent book is The Trap.

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And so of course,
these both these books have significant

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settings in the big bad city of Sydney.

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And today I'll be sort of fessing up that
I'm actually from the Bush.

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So it's kind of ironic to be asked to to
come along to talk about Sydney and as a

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historical crimey setting.

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But I have done my time in the city of
sin.

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So I'm looking forward to chatting with
those two authors.

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And so as the moderator for the panel,
have you had to do a lot of research and

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prep for today or are you?

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My main prep is just remembering what it
was like to live in Sydney,

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which I did when I studied and a couple
of stints afterwards,

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but also reading their work.

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I mean, they're incredibly different.

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This is a fiction, both of those books,
but what they have in common is kind of

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the 1940s in Sydney, the post war,
sort of during the war in the case of

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Fiona's book.

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But the 1940s for sure when I think
probably one of the most dramatic periods

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of change in the city of Sydney since the
settlement.

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I would say the US troops in the city,
changes in laws and liberty and freedoms.

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The the brownouts,
they call them when they're trying to

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save electricity and also stop Sydney
being a target.

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And Sydney was a target for attack at the
time.

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So very Seminole.

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In the in the history of the city.

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And then of course,
all the darkness and the war and the risk

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factor led to a lot of crime and dark
deeds.

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So as it does, yes, all over the world.

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And So what interests you in particular
about the time period and the setting?

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The time period,
I think because in both Tara's and

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Fiona's books,
they deal with change in social,

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the social fabric.

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Now this was particularly dramatic for
women.

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Well, for all people.

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I mean, the risk factor, the the concern,
the anxiety of about about war,

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a war going on,
but it also created a huge amount of

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freedoms, particularly for women.

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So the idea of the home front,
the support jobs,

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there was more equal opportunity.

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Of course,
it was taken away to a large degree later,

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but by these books deal with a lot of
those freedoms at the time that they were

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granted.

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And that that really does interest me.

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That's what I think all people in
Australia have in common,

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whether we're from the Bush or from the
cities or both.

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Absolutely.

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And you're an author yourself?

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Yes.

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Have you written about any of those
topics or is this kind of outside of your

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own?

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Well,
there's some crossover in my book and

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Fiona Kelly McGregor's The Trap,
the titles of my recent book and her most

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recent book are quite similar.

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Mine's called Dirt Trap and hers is
called The Trap.

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And both of us deal with historical gay
hate crimes and also the entrapment scams

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that were perpetrated by the police
historically and, you know,

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within my lifetime as well.

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So that we have that crossover and the
sort of the,

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the queer history of of Sydney,
but there are themes of that through

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Tara's book as well.

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The change in in attitudes in Tara's book,
it's manifest in a broad sort of brush

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stroke there,
which is about equality for Indigenous

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people.

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So one of the colleagues of her Billy
Walker private investigator is a

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character called Shyla,
who is an Indigenous woman.

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And I found that very interesting.

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And Tara doesn't deal with in a in a
blatant way.

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It's actually within the fabric of the
community that she builds around her

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Billy Walker heroine,
who this is the third book that we've

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seen her in.

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So this it's this crossover of sort of
opportunities for unexpected identities

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that I think all of our books have in
common.

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And so tell us about your other writing
as well.

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Well, I'm a journalist by trade.

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I've been a journalist for many years.

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Look,
I was fascinated this morning to hear the

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session with Nikki Sava and David Ma
words on the waves.

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I think has got a lovely political edge
growing to it,

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which I find really refreshing.

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And you know, in politics these days,
there's a catch phrase,

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just let people say what they feel,
particularly politicians.

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But look,
it was a refreshing session about people

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just saying what they feel,
where they feel we're at as a country.

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So yeah,
I take a lot of that into my heart.

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But also as a rural resident,
even though we're still in the regions

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here, it was on the waves.

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It's a it's a wonderful regional festival.

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It's a lot closer to the city than I live.

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And so it this idea of having new
concepts and new personalities in writing,

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new themes, ideas, it's just,
it's overflowing with them.

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It's fantastic.

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And it's only,
it's only halfway through the first day.

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Yeah.

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I mean, well, actually,
it's not the first day, is it?

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Well, no, I mean,
there's a lot of satellite events.

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Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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And you know,
I think you raise an interesting point

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because it's been a bit of a fraught time
for festivals,

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writers festivals in Australia.

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Yeah.

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And especially on that theme of politics
and people's differing views and how they

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are reflected in perhaps a panel.

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And I think it must be difficult when
you're coordinating a festival,

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thinking about some of those things and,
and some of the risks,

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I suppose that you take on.

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What's your feeling on that?

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I mean, there's,
there's been all this scandal, I suppose,

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of authors getting uninvited to events
and all this sort of stuff.

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Oh, look, it's been around for,
it's been on my radar for a lot longer

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than this sort of recent wave.

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So I can remember,
I would say it's pretty much exactly 10

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years ago that I think it made the news
internationally that Jermaine grew had

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been de platformed from a writers
festival or a conference in the UK around

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issues of gender equality.

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And so in that 10 year.

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I think we've seen so many new examples
of that going on and it look as a writer,

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a journalist,
a citizen and a thinker and a political,

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a fan of the process of politics,
it is a very challenging time.

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And I think if we can't express ourselves
at a writers festival,

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then there's probably nowhere we can
really express ourselves.

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And by we, I, I don't just mean writers,
I mean everybody.

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There's a great connected,
engaged crowd here in every session.

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I've been to awards on the waves and I
was thinking this morning in this session

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with Nikki Sava and David Maher about
Nikki's book Earthquake that that says it

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all, the title of that book.

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And we're here to talk about books as one
major aspect.

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It's this shake up, you know,
things are not the same after an

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earthquake.

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And so I think it's wonderful to see a
festival that hasn't asked for censorship.

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In what I might be saying here as a
moderator,

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I was here in previous years and I didn't
get that sense about that either.

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But on the same token,
I do understand the risk aversion that

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there is because these festivals don't
just happen off the back of ticket sales.

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So there are other considerations for
other events and it's a fraud issue to

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speak about.

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But my main reaction to your thought,
what's about your your question about

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that is that it's refreshing to be in a
place where ideas can be expressed on

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occasion.

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There's, you know,
some comment from the floor.

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David Marv did a great job moderating,
sort of opened it up to people to start

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asking questions about halfway through
instead of the sort of traditional yeah.

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At the end.

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So it did encourage people to, you know,
it's a bit like a town hall meeting.

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I guess it's reflective of this
electorate that we're in if we want to

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talk politics.

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So it where I come from it that would be
a very different experience.

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OK.

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But just as valid, just as.

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Yeah, needed.

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And we don't necessarily do that enough
in the Bush.

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Yeah.

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So where are you from?

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I'm from the New England region.

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I'm actually from a little blink in your
miss a town called Deepwater,

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which listeners might know where
Tenderfield is.

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OK.

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So we're about half an hour's drive South
of Tenderfield,

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about an hour from the Queensland border.

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So pretty far northern inland NSW.

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And so you do your journalism remotely
then?

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I do, Yeah.

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Yes.

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Luckily, I'm able to to do that.

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When I moved,
I'm from the Bush originally,

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but when I moved back there almost 10
years ago,

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I did sort of think that that was the end
of journalism for me.

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OK.

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I thought maybe I'd be able to get a job
at a local paper or something like that.

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But the journalism I've done since then
is because people have approached me

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because they want journalists in the Bush
to write about people and processes in

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the Bush.

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And that's,
that was such a wonderful surprise to me

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to be asked to do that.

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So I freelance mainly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's wonderful.

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Do you do any farming?

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Do you do, what else?

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What do you do out there in the booth?

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No, I'm from, I'm from a farming family.

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Half my family were farmers and the other
half were from the city.

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So no, I,
but I look like many of my neighbours and

073f1ae5-dae5-4136-89e8-9cf13fef1f3a-1
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colleagues at the Tennis Club and in the
community groups that we have are

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graziers and we've been having quite a
period of, we call it a dry spell,

073f1ae5-dae5-4136-89e8-9cf13fef1f3a-3
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not quite a drought.

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It seems to touch wood,
have broken a little bit.

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We've had some good rains.

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So you don't have to be a farmer living
in the Bush to be connected to the sense

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that all people who work in agriculture
are feeling.

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So it's been a bit of a fraught time.

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The last time I remember like this was
actually three years ago in October.

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We had a bit of a repeat of Black Summer
very early in the season.

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00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.757
There were Bush fires right throughout
the New England region and the Darling

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00:10:07.757 --> 00:10:07.960
Downs.

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And I came to Sydney for a writers
festival and it was a nice escape from

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the that feeling that's it's a very
anxious feeling living in those

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situations.

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And that's not unique to the Bush.

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Everyone experienced it in Black Summer.

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So Michael,
you're not here just for this panel,

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you're back again tomorrow.

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Is that right?

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Give us a little sneak peek of your other
panel.

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Well,
tomorrow the panel is called Transported.

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The most I think I've ever moderated the
most authors in one session.

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It was 4.

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So tomorrow there's three.

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So it's not quite the Super highly risky
panel of four authors because I'm an

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00:10:40.451 --> 00:10:43.640
author too,
so I always count myself in the line up.

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So we have the panel of four authors,
myself included,

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but we're talking to Emma Peyin,
the author of When Sleeping Women Wake,

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00:10:50.453 --> 00:10:53.221
Lauren Keegan,
who wrote The Woman in the Sealskin,

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and Heather Rose is here, of course,
talking about her book A Great Act of

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Love.

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And so they've called this panel
Transported.

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It's a big word,
but it's actually loaded with meaning.

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And so I've had quite a journey trying to
find a way to narrow that meaning down to

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45 to 60 minute discussion.

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So I've I've found I think a way to do
that.

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And it's all about the pre colonial,
the colonial and the post colonial world.

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So the subjects that those three women
have written about do bridge an enormous

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period from the late 17th century right
through into the Second World War with

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Emma's book.

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And so it's a, it's a,
a unique opportunity, I think,

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to really sort of look at the whole
colonial experiment before it took place

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and the reasons leading up to it while it
was happening with Heather's book and the

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kind of aftermath in Emma's book.

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And the, the precursor, of course,
is Lawrence book,

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The Woman in the Sealskin.

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It's set in the last decade of the 17th
century.

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It's a big subject that yeah, yeah.

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And all around the world, right.

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There's we're talking about just reading
the description here.

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Hong Kong in Japan, yes, as well.

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00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.760
So it's not just the Australian
experience.

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No exactly.

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The Orkneys is the setting for Lawrence
book.

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And yes,
Hong Kong under Japanese occupation for

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Emma's and Heather's book is kind of the
thread that takes us between those two

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00:12:14.144 --> 00:12:18.693
places because she comes to Van Diemen's
Land, Tasmania, but via many,

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00:12:18.693 --> 00:12:21.000
many parts on the face of the earth.

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That's the golden thread that I'm sort of
weaving things together with in that chat.

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Well, I wish you well on that.

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I think sometimes these panels,
it's bringing together different authors

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and trying to make them fit, right.

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And all the different puzzle pieces fit
together.

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Yes.

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But we're all here celebrating the
written word, I suppose.

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So we are authors.

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When we get together,
we find a way that we fit like a kind of

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like a jigsaw puzzle because we we have
so many things in common,

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even if what we're writing about is just
so vastly different.

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And that's a hallmark of writers
festivals for sure.

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Absolutely.

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Well,
we wish you the best of luck in your

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upcoming panels.

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Hopefully,
hopefully it's not too difficult to

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wrangle these authors.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for speaking with us.

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It's a pleasure.

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Thank you.

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This has been a special presentation of
the Not Quite Right podcast in

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collaboration with Words on the Ways
Writers Festival.

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Check the show notes For more information
about Words on the Waves and the books

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mentioned in this episode.

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