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and may include themes that are
inappropriate for younger listeners.

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Also, I swear a lot.

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Something doesn't seem quite right.

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Welcome to Not quite right.

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My name's Ed, and I'm Amanda.

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Amanda,
do you know when our last regular episode

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was?

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No.

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I don't even remember what I was doing
yesterday.

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When was our last regular episode?

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17th of October.

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Oh, my God.

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Last year.

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And that was our hundredth episode.

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Celebration.

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Yeah.

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We just, like, celebrate.

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And then just went.

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I'm out.

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And then exactly.

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I'm good.

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But we've released a bunch of episodes
since then.

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Let's be real.

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It's not because we have been slacking
off.

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We've been slacking on, if anything,
what does that look like exactly?

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No, But you're right.

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You've just coined a phrase there.

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And we're we're recording this now in
April.

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Don't know when it's gonna come out,
probably afterwards on the waves,

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let's be real.

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And I think it'll be like 150 episodes.

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Yeah, by the time this actually comes out.

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That's my feeling.

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It's a bit like, you know,
when you go into confession,

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they say how long has it been since your
last confession?

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It's a bit like that.

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Maybe it's been a while since I've done a
confession.

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When was your last confession?

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Actually, I tell you what,
it wasn't that long ago 'cause I was.

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I had to do 1 when my daughter did her
reconciliation right and they got the

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parents in.

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What juicy confessions did you?

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He's a funnier story because I don't
remember.

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But I do remember doing confession before
I got married because we we were doing a

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mass which I regret and I'm so sorry I
put you through that.

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I'm sorry to all.

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I don't even remember Wedding.

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Yes.

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Did you have enough masses in my
childhood that I learnt the skill of

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dissociating and it's a nice rest for
your brain.

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But anyway, shouldn't have done it.

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The priest talked us into a full mass.

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I'm like right whatever.

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Anyway,
then he wanted us to do confession before

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we got married.

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And I'm like, OK, fine.

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And I went in to do the confession.

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This is me.

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I haven't done one since I was in primary
school.

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And you go in there and you're like,
I've been mean to my brother and,

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you know, I was rude to my parents.

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And that's pretty much my confession.

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So I go in there as like a fully adult
woman, just kind of like,

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I guess I've been like, not my ideal self.

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I'm not really sure what to tell you.

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And he he was trying to hint at something.

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I'm like, what are you,
what are you getting AT?

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And this poor priest awkwardly had to
kind of prompt me to remind you what the

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sins were.

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He had to,
he had to remind me that I had been

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living with my soon to be husband for
quite some time.

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And he's like,
so was there anything going on in those

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years that you lived together that maybe
you need to like talk about now?

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And I'm like, Oh, yeah,
that put me down for one of those.

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And I got absorbed.

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I'm imagining this scenario.

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But.

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But while he's hinting you're like
revealing all these other random seeds,

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you're like, oh,
is this the Ian Thorpe thing?

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Or is it, is it the shoplifting thing?

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Is it that?

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Because I'm really sorry about that.

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No, he was like, you know what?

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Ian Thorpe.

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That's fine.

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Yeah.

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He's like, haven't we all?

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Anyway, I've sinned.

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But The thing is, I'm forgiven,
so it's fine.

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Yeah.

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So it doesn't really matter what you do.

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It's fine.

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You just admit it.

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And that's cool.

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Yeah.

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You got to make sure you do it before you
die.

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But don't you apologies for opening this
episode with Catholic theology,

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but don't you not leaving this in?

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Don't you just have to say it?

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Like, don't you have to apologise to God?

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Does the priest need to be there?

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I think the priest needs to be there.

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That's why they do last rites before you
die.

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Yeah.

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And you get absolved and then you get to
go to heaven.

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I guess it depends which religion you are.

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Because if you're like, Protestant,
you can just say it in your head.

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OK, I should become a Protestant.

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That's that was why it took off.

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Yeah, right.

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Everyone's just like,
that's way more convenient.

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It's like how, you know,
tap and go take us off because it's

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really convenient.

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It's like,
I can just pray and go just be like,

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heaps.

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Sorry.

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Back through that thing.

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I just did really.

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Sorry.

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Cool.

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We're cool.

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OK.

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Awesome.

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Now I can die.

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Did you feel better after you confessed
your sins to the priest?

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I felt humiliated.

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Yeah.

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I was like,
the priest had to remind me it was a sin

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to have have sex before marriage.

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I'm like, I didn't,
I forgot that that was a thing.

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Wasn't something I dwelt on or something
they really talk about in religion.

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Is it?

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It's easy to forget.

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I wouldn't know.

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I hadn't.

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I hadn't really engaged with religion in
quite some time anyway.

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Alright, all that aside,
let's get into the episode, shall we?

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So now, I'm sorry,
but I'm just confessing my sins here.

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Now go for it.

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No, I'm not.

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Now confess some sins and we'll keep the
juiciest ones for our Patreon,

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which we'll talk about later, but no, go,
go for confess, Confess.

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Are you gonna confess somewhere?

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Is it just me?

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Definitely not.

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Well then I'm not doing it.

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Maybe, maybe.

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Depends.

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Depends how bad your sins are.

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I'll try to confess one on the same level.

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OK, so shoplifting, right?

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I shoplifted once when I was like 10.

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I stole literally a pipe cleaner from a
spotlight store.

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So a crafty pipe cleaner was like a pink
1 was like fluffy.

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And I put it in my pocket and I took it
home and the guilt overpowered me.

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And years later I still felt guilt.

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And I never used this pipe cleaner for
anything because I was just like, Oh,

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my God, that's the guilt.

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And then, like, years later,
I took a 10 cent piece,

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which was the value of the pipe cleaner,
probably double value of the pipe cleaner.

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And I, like,
left it on the floor in a spotlight store

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to, like, pay back.

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Yeah.

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Now you your turn.

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OK.

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I'll confess some shoplifting then.

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OK.

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When I was like 9 or 10,
we used to go to the shops.

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No,
I used to want things at the shops that I

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couldn't have.

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And then at some point, I was like,
hang on a minute.

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I could just take this thing and put it
in my pocket.

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And like, who would suspect a child?

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Literally everyone who works there.

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And,
and so I stole some random stuff and look,

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here's what I stole.

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I stole some padlocks from Coles because
I was like,

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they're interesting and they're,
you were coveting the padlocks big time.

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And I think I stole some toys as well,
like just some like action figurines or

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something.

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And I thought I was pretty smart.

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And then my mum busted me and she was
like,

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you can't do that and explain to me how
society works.

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Yeah, I had,
I had a whole thing that like I just

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steal it.

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And then later on I would pretend I found
it.

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And and then she was like, flawless plan.

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How do you always keep finding this these
things after we just go to the shops?

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And then I was like,
I may have pushed this a little bit too

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far.

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So, yeah.

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So some padlocks are on your conscience.

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Yeah, I have to.

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Have you offered that up in prayer?

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No, Look,
do you think that God's role is like,

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do you realise you're,
you're stealing value from the

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shareholders when you do that?

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Do you think that's God is like,
that's his job?

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Do you think that would Jesus would have
been all about that, right?

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You know,
read the Bible and see what Jesus was

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like when he was on earth.

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And do you think he's going to be like,
oh,

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you probably should have paid for that
because, I mean,

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I think the rules were pretty clear.

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So I don't know.

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Thou shalt not steal is pretty
straightforward.

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When do you think about it?

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Jesus said that he was there to create a
new covenant and and not to follow the

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00:07:08.542 --> 00:07:09.160
old rules.

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It's the big book of multiple choice.

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You can choose your own rules.

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Yeah.

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I think that's how religion works.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty much how the Bible works.

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Of course,
it is why there are so many denominations.

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00:07:20.960 --> 00:07:25.769
Anyway,
that's all potentially on the cutting

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00:07:25.769 --> 00:07:26.920
room floor.

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00:07:27.200 --> 00:07:29.000
So look, we're finally at the PO episode.

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We've been talking about this for the
last 6 plus months.

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00:07:31.880 --> 00:07:32.880
You've been avoiding it.

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00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:34.320
Well, we've been doing a lot of reading.

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00:07:34.320 --> 00:07:37.795
We've been doing so this has been at the
bottom of my reading list,

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00:07:37.795 --> 00:07:40.760
but I've been hitting it pretty hard
after flesh fiction.

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00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.520
So perverts, your time has come.

b44034f7-6c3b-4c68-b7ab-db2d75e8d840-0
00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.720
Finally, we'll be talking all about PO.

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00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:47.880
We're talking about Single Effect.

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00:07:47.880 --> 00:07:51.040
We'll be talking about some of his
nonfiction, some of his fiction.

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00:07:51.520 --> 00:07:55.280
We may even be reading a story or two or
should direct or two.

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00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:56.240
I feel like we should.

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00:07:56.280 --> 00:07:58.880
They lend themselves to the audio format,
I feel.

d2aede76-f4ed-4dd5-8739-0d5a61d8f29a-0
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So that's really going to be what this
episode is about.

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00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:03.959
But before that,
we've got a lot of catching up to do

12e99dbc-a750-4c31-bab9-fc66bcd3ab99-1
00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.240
because it's been a long time,
a lot of announcements.

73949dca-3d02-4a6d-a3cc-10b22a8bbb86-0
00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:09.760
So we'll hit you with all of that first
and then we'll get into PO.

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00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:10.600
Sounds good.

f9ddb5c2-2fb9-4c34-8cc2-103f6729d5a3-0
00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:12.689
So the first major announcement is
Patreon,

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00:08:12.689 --> 00:08:14.480
which we've been talking about for ages.

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00:08:14.520 --> 00:08:17.279
In fact,
we've been working on it in the

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00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.374
background for ages,
recording some episodes,

518759cd-2f03-4d7d-b111-2368c5c3c10b-2
00:08:20.374 --> 00:08:23.806
some episodes of our new podcast called
The Niche,

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00:08:23.806 --> 00:08:25.960
exclusive to Patreon supporters.

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00:08:26.520 --> 00:08:28.040
Silly nonsense, you might say.

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00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:28.840
Silly nonsense.

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00:08:28.840 --> 00:08:31.982
All the stuff that is too hot for radio,
perhaps,

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00:08:31.982 --> 00:08:35.000
or maybe too niche for a podcast about
writing.

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00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.640
We talk about all sorts of other stuff.

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00:08:36.800 --> 00:08:39.200
Yeah, bit of a lighter touch, the editing.

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00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:44.325
And we let a few things slip that perhaps
we shouldn't, which of course,

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00:08:44.325 --> 00:08:45.800
we never do normally.

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00:08:45.800 --> 00:08:46.040
MMM.

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00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:49.221
In fact,
we have released for a limited time,

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00:08:49.221 --> 00:08:52.171
if you recall,
the first episode of The Niche called The

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00:08:52.171 --> 00:08:53.000
Jankles dot MP3.

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00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:54.440
So that's a bit of a taste for you.

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But Patreon is finally live.

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We will have the link in the show notes,
links on our website everywhere.

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00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.000
If you want to sign up,
we would love to have you.

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00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:07.577
There's all sorts of perks and yeah,
it's not just the extra content,

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00:09:07.577 --> 00:09:11.232
which hopefully is enjoyable to those of
you who like our silly nonsense,

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00:09:11.232 --> 00:09:14.146
but also there's discounts,
there's early release content,

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00:09:14.146 --> 00:09:15.480
there's all sorts of stuff.

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00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.553
So if you're interested at all,
just go and click the link,

509daf58-cf6e-4520-89b7-5bac922cbae1-1
00:09:18.553 --> 00:09:22.600
check it out and see if that's something
that you'd like to get on board with.

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00:09:22.920 --> 00:09:25.640
And the big thing here is I guess that
it's supporting us.

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00:09:25.640 --> 00:09:27.880
It's supporting us to continue doing what
we do.

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00:09:27.880 --> 00:09:31.514
So if you enjoy what we do and you would
like to support that to continue,

0af8c6cc-7f8a-4fca-b723-de81f7701572-1
00:09:31.514 --> 00:09:32.920
then that's the way to do it.

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Basically, that's it.

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00:09:34.040 --> 00:09:39.047
You hit us with a couple of dollars and
we will give you a warm fuzzy feeling in

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00:09:39.047 --> 00:09:39.480
return.

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00:09:39.920 --> 00:09:41.760
That promise to you, It's your promise.

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All right, sounds good.

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So as part of our Patreon launch,
we are also giving away a lucky door

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00:09:48.492 --> 00:09:53.520
prize to 1 lucky person who signs up
within the first two weeks.

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00:09:53.520 --> 00:09:57.273
And we will obviously send an email out
to everyone so you are aware of what that

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00:09:57.273 --> 00:09:57.960
time period is.

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00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.947
But it is the contents of our innuendo
jar,

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00:10:00.947 --> 00:10:03.800
which is brimming with cash at this point.

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00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:06.000
It's quite overflowing.

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00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:07.760
Oh, that's a bit of an exaggeration.

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00:10:08.640 --> 00:10:12.762
I think it should be more over than it is,
to be honest,

9124489e-b52b-4ec5-b2a8-9c4bbdf9d715-1
00:10:12.762 --> 00:10:17.896
but certainly hundreds of dollars,
hundreds of rude jokes that will be

9124489e-b52b-4ec5-b2a8-9c4bbdf9d715-2
00:10:17.896 --> 00:10:21.440
transferred into cash form for one lucky
winner.

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00:10:21.560 --> 00:10:24.120
And we look forward to sharing the love
on that one.

627d257a-9aef-4215-8cf6-90689dc10cd9-0
00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:29.542
I have enjoyed the innuendo jar,
the gentle tinkle of a completely

627d257a-9aef-4215-8cf6-90689dc10cd9-1
00:10:29.542 --> 00:10:31.080
inappropriate joke.

a1c010d6-b376-400e-a566-e3aecc63a4f4-0
00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:36.627
It's like a Pavlovian response I have now,
and I will be sad to say goodbye to the

a1c010d6-b376-400e-a566-e3aecc63a4f4-1
00:10:36.627 --> 00:10:40.720
Innuendo Jar, but very,
very happy to share that with one winner.

5a7e3ab7-ffda-4d6f-b7d0-afd801508a34-0
00:10:40.880 --> 00:10:44.175
But if you don't want to join Patreon for
whatever reason and you do still want to

5a7e3ab7-ffda-4d6f-b7d0-afd801508a34-1
00:10:44.175 --> 00:10:46.360
support us,
there is one thing you can do that's free.

275b05ce-6d5e-4a00-bea5-3dcc2a31b8c2-0
00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.775
And that is to jump onto your podcast
platform of choice and leave us a five

275b05ce-6d5e-4a00-bea5-3dcc2a31b8c2-1
00:10:50.775 --> 00:10:52.840
star review, like a positive review.

48d1a6a3-4fc4-4f94-aae0-11576d96bb86-0
00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:53.640
We love to get it.

562825a6-1586-4c34-8bf7-07b6bd5a600b-0
00:10:53.920 --> 00:10:55.720
It helps get the podcast out there.

880b1e15-4d54-4370-a2d2-cbc2818109b9-0
00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:56.960
It helps us be seen.

7b56b5a5-4d00-4849-a27c-0c22fd0f35b6-0
00:10:57.400 --> 00:11:00.152
You know, tell your friends,
tell your enemies,

7b56b5a5-4d00-4849-a27c-0c22fd0f35b6-1
00:11:00.152 --> 00:11:02.160
if you like all that kind of thing.

cc402efa-628e-4f71-acf1-1c38e0cadfa2-0
00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.184
Well, you know,
I just want to say something about that,

cc402efa-628e-4f71-acf1-1c38e0cadfa2-1
00:11:05.184 --> 00:11:08.644
'cause I listen to a lot of podcasts and
they're always saying that like, just,

cc402efa-628e-4f71-acf1-1c38e0cadfa2-2
00:11:08.644 --> 00:11:10.720
you know, hit follow, like subscribe,
whatever.

93ac7cf3-98f5-4a91-b7e5-5a1cb9ceb0e9-0
00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:11.920
And that helps us get seen.

ea12901f-4cf8-40c6-a5fb-1a1c560576ed-0
00:11:11.920 --> 00:11:14.360
And, and you're kind of like, OK,
what does that actually mean?

08bf1368-1310-41e8-8eae-7a06c007691c-0
00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:18.020
Just for a second,
I just want to give a shout out of

08bf1368-1310-41e8-8eae-7a06c007691c-1
00:11:18.020 --> 00:11:22.083
appreciation to all of those people who
like our social media posts,

08bf1368-1310-41e8-8eae-7a06c007691c-2
00:11:22.083 --> 00:11:26.735
who re share our social media posts,
who take the 20 seconds to comment on our

08bf1368-1310-41e8-8eae-7a06c007691c-3
00:11:26.735 --> 00:11:30.681
social media posts and or go on and leave
a review of the podcast,

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00:11:30.681 --> 00:11:31.800
follow the podcast.

59acaea7-1d6c-457d-8420-4e4b916ecccc-0
00:11:32.160 --> 00:11:36.080
All of those things they're free to do,
but they have a legitimate impact.

d6bd950a-49d4-40c4-8d39-d527c487a4dd-0
00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:39.903
Like one of the impacts is that if you're
liking and following and commenting on

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00:11:39.903 --> 00:11:42.405
social media,
one impact is that you're going to see

d6bd950a-49d4-40c4-8d39-d527c487a4dd-2
00:11:42.405 --> 00:11:43.680
that more on your own feet.

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00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:44.760
So that's your choice.

95fb05be-53de-4157-b764-ceb39bc8f182-0
00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.760
If you want to see us on your feet, great,
OK.

b4cdb095-67ae-432c-a652-1b2f10e9b39e-0
00:11:47.760 --> 00:11:49.160
And that's one thing that will happen.

76699508-a9f1-43bb-b007-4e5439c3464c-0
00:11:49.160 --> 00:11:53.125
But also what it does is it tells the
algorithm that that's something that

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00:11:53.125 --> 00:11:53.760
people like.

b1203481-425f-4d52-a92b-f2de08319d72-0
00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.955
And so it shares it then more with your
friends and with other people who are

b1203481-425f-4d52-a92b-f2de08319d72-1
00:11:58.955 --> 00:12:01.080
kind of in our peripheral network.

904a5704-aef3-41cf-ba9a-4470aaf1de60-0
00:12:01.560 --> 00:12:03.560
And that's really beneficial to us.

50f4540f-6f0a-4c81-b9e7-4ff025c8111f-0
00:12:03.560 --> 00:12:06.520
It helps us get in front of more eyeballs
and it's totally free to do.

99c58a8a-fdf6-46b7-8812-90e26b745a0f-0
00:12:06.520 --> 00:12:09.889
And so I guess I just want to say thank
you to the people who are doing that

99c58a8a-fdf6-46b7-8812-90e26b745a0f-1
00:12:09.889 --> 00:12:10.240
already.

5bd549fc-4f0a-4d4a-b52f-e49d53a5efad-0
00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:13.010
I don't think you know that that has an
impact,

5bd549fc-4f0a-4d4a-b52f-e49d53a5efad-1
00:12:13.010 --> 00:12:17.338
but it really does every time you just
hit like literally just hit like on

5bd549fc-4f0a-4d4a-b52f-e49d53a5efad-2
00:12:17.338 --> 00:12:21.032
something that we post,
you're doing a big favour and we really

5bd549fc-4f0a-4d4a-b52f-e49d53a5efad-3
00:12:21.032 --> 00:12:21.840
appreciate it.

11877242-e8bb-4d64-b781-8af2acfd101e-0
00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:22.760
Yeah, and we do see it.

bfdd4dc5-22a2-4d90-b638-ee45d5fb1812-0
00:12:22.760 --> 00:12:26.082
And we also do see when people recommend
the not quite right prize to their

bfdd4dc5-22a2-4d90-b638-ee45d5fb1812-1
00:12:26.082 --> 00:12:28.486
friends as well,
because we see it in people's general

bfdd4dc5-22a2-4d90-b638-ee45d5fb1812-2
00:12:28.486 --> 00:12:28.880
feedback.

c05788c6-e72a-4bc5-bf7d-e46b3c0c5960-0
00:12:28.880 --> 00:12:30.776
Hey,
I heard about this comp from another

c05788c6-e72a-4bc5-bf7d-e46b3c0c5960-1
00:12:30.776 --> 00:12:33.080
person who does the comp and it's amazing
to hear.

af09945c-05c2-4b77-a1fd-73ccf3613f94-0
00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.280
So thank you to everyone who has already
done that.

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00:12:35.520 --> 00:12:36.400
Absolutely.

dd7ea695-3079-4c53-8ef0-171e79273978-0
00:12:36.400 --> 00:12:39.315
We want to connect with the people all
around the world,

dd7ea695-3079-4c53-8ef0-171e79273978-1
00:12:39.315 --> 00:12:43.458
and we know they exist who are a little
bit not quite right like we are and just

dd7ea695-3079-4c53-8ef0-171e79273978-2
00:12:43.458 --> 00:12:44.840
build our little community.

9b82dc84-6566-43c9-81c6-b300f9afc182-0
00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:46.480
So once again, thank you.

c38354b4-f06a-49fe-bf3d-da986aa2bf85-0
00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.291
And yeah,
for those of you who can't get enough,

c38354b4-f06a-49fe-bf3d-da986aa2bf85-1
00:12:49.291 --> 00:12:50.840
then Patreon is the answer.

96fd0df4-2cc3-4a5f-9822-551983b05758-0
00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:54.812
And if you like what we do,
then I guarantee you're going to enjoy

96fd0df4-2cc3-4a5f-9822-551983b05758-1
00:12:54.812 --> 00:12:57.080
the additional nonsense that we post
there.

8c1c913a-2828-4b31-bc76-f4fb507f82df-0
00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.240
So that's about it for our announcements
for now.

bcabe77e-d91f-4136-87c6-1d3c6c28dd8c-0
00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.240
But it's been what, 6-9 months?

a8c55c69-071b-4975-94aa-ea55a71bcfd0-0
00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.680
How long it's been since we've last
recorded a regular episode.

e24e7b6b-bb52-4a0f-9baa-a44016fca905-0
00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:07.840
And you've been busy.

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00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:08.480
I have.

5cd8cbb1-3a8c-48b7-b22a-509fb4af04d1-0
00:13:08.560 --> 00:13:08.880
Yeah.

173b8ae1-dcb2-4c18-95fd-3b0b950dc2d5-0
00:13:08.920 --> 00:13:11.240
Unlike me, very unlike me to be busy.

960e157f-6d89-4f24-9553-d491bf1a8e8a-0
00:13:11.760 --> 00:13:12.640
I've been travelling.

5e66154a-2603-4edc-8b36-4abe65c60926-0
00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.680
So I went to Japan with my family,
which was wonderful.

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00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.103
And I think I mentioned on a previous
episode,

acb203b4-b2da-4ff9-a7c2-1cc4e58a97bb-1
00:13:18.103 --> 00:13:20.520
but I met Ben Daggers in real life,
which was lovely.

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00:13:20.520 --> 00:13:24.840
Like I really love to meet my Internet
friends in real life.

6caaf742-5e8f-4c81-8c2a-592b2a5ad72d-0
00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:29.247
Sumitra Singham as well,
another writer who I've gotten to know

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00:13:29.247 --> 00:13:32.277
online,
who I hung out with at the beach in

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00:13:32.277 --> 00:13:32.760
Sydney.

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00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:36.960
It gives me life to meet these other
flash fiction writers.

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00:13:37.040 --> 00:13:37.320
I don't know.

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I feel so privileged to be able to do
that and to and to meet people who have

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00:13:41.526 --> 00:13:44.600
become my friends and who I talk to all
the time online.

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It kind of makes it real.

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Like,
it's one thing to relationship online

e2103059-fdfc-4f28-a81d-6c9b2661b9ad-1
00:13:47.865 --> 00:13:51.376
with people and another thing to see them
in the flesh and go, oh,

e2103059-fdfc-4f28-a81d-6c9b2661b9ad-2
00:13:51.376 --> 00:13:54.520
**** that's an actual person exists and
has their own life.

ac00ef48-33f6-4f63-b216-fec8e60e5bb5-0
00:13:54.520 --> 00:13:55.000
Yeah.

e46b3797-7b3a-4251-8b1f-c5058b3ad3d3-0
00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.040
Well, I mean, my daughters were very,
like, they questioned me on it.

5b1b60c6-4c20-47bb-a8ee-4f614b19fe89-0
00:13:58.040 --> 00:14:00.313
They're like,
I thought we weren't supposed to, like,

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00:14:00.313 --> 00:14:01.240
talk to people online.

5a6e1d50-45c6-411f-8447-806d2a626c5c-0
00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:01.600
Yeah.

7d51b65b-3c2c-4595-bee5-d9b0d11cfcd3-0
00:14:02.280 --> 00:14:05.200
And now you're agreeing to meet up with
these people in real life.

fe0b498b-28aa-43ad-b3f6-02c1984bb775-0
00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:06.600
I'm like, yes, do as I say.

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Not as I do, of course.

64909629-4e17-4fbc-9fcc-230ed2169561-0
00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:10.376
Like,
there's this whole community of writers

64909629-4e17-4fbc-9fcc-230ed2169561-1
00:14:10.376 --> 00:14:13.840
all over the world and we can all connect
online, which is really, really fun.

df8543ae-99d5-4e2f-8690-5524a72a9a1b-0
00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:14.240
Oh.

5f17e497-215c-4482-92a3-fd02e400cf49-0
00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.520
And Sally, Sally Simon as well,
who I hung out with in Sydney.

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00:14:17.520 --> 00:14:19.160
We spent the day in Sydney together.

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00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:20.960
I just love it so much.

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00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.160
And I look forward to opportunities to
meeting other writers as well.

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00:14:24.400 --> 00:14:27.920
So if anyone is out Sydney way,
let us know.

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All right.

a3899f9c-ca83-416e-8a79-5c3b63569bc2-0
00:14:28.680 --> 00:14:30.520
And so you've been writing as well.

3d661093-5ae1-4b88-b2a6-c232daa74a37-0
00:14:30.520 --> 00:14:30.920
You've been.

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00:14:31.160 --> 00:14:32.480
Listen, this is the thing about you.

fba5a249-4404-4a1e-8e08-29847daacd2a-0
00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.034
You're like,
I'm not writing any flash fiction this

fba5a249-4404-4a1e-8e08-29847daacd2a-1
00:14:35.034 --> 00:14:35.280
year.

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00:14:35.640 --> 00:14:36.560
I'm taking a break.

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00:14:36.560 --> 00:14:37.680
I've got other things to do.

3d4bf13d-7942-4b87-a6d3-98e78951e15a-0
00:14:37.680 --> 00:14:39.800
And then you're like,
I'm in Twisted tournament.

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00:14:39.800 --> 00:14:39.960
This.

46c5d998-df7d-498d-8465-f362d60150a1-0
00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:42.480
First of all, that was last year.

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00:14:42.560 --> 00:14:42.800
Yeah.

54009173-c6b7-4bfc-b591-b2a6e34cf7f0-0
00:14:42.800 --> 00:14:45.240
But like, no, that was all of last year.

cf8c4f35-d962-4832-9f41-9ed903c2b545-0
00:14:45.400 --> 00:14:47.760
And now it's in two comes year as well.

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00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:48.360
A little bit.

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00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:48.480
Yeah.

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00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:49.400
You did so.

31178949-2146-4569-9b78-ea49003857f6-0
00:14:50.640 --> 00:14:53.400
So you have a habit of binding off way
more than you can chew.

1511da7b-d2de-497f-bcb9-9bbb7cf3b0b6-0
00:14:53.560 --> 00:14:56.723
And then, and then once,
like it's in your mouth, you're like,

1511da7b-d2de-497f-bcb9-9bbb7cf3b0b6-1
00:14:56.723 --> 00:14:58.280
whoa, got too much in my mouth.

ba6e633e-bfa3-462c-9583-6e15ed5b922f-0
00:14:58.280 --> 00:15:01.107
And then I, I,
I do like to talk with my mouth for,

ba6e633e-bfa3-462c-9583-6e15ed5b922f-1
00:15:01.107 --> 00:15:01.760
as you know.

42472de1-062f-4aa0-8faf-76da8d36e703-0
00:15:01.800 --> 00:15:03.640
Yeah, No, you're right.

d2595cee-d98a-4713-8869-890016053a98-0
00:15:03.680 --> 00:15:04.440
But you did OK.

33d24e5d-d1ce-4ae3-827a-fce96c5f9321-0
00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:04.920
You did OK.

c754a802-9ebe-4647-a80e-9ad3d1d6624b-0
00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:06.240
So tell us about Twisted Tournament.

dafa0aa3-f623-4174-bd96-5ce5fcc66675-0
00:15:06.400 --> 00:15:06.640
No.

50e11c29-2ce6-47f1-ac35-28528fb3f42d-0
00:15:06.640 --> 00:15:08.360
So I've, I've signed up for the year.

f18f0911-576c-43a2-a147-98e7054a4e09-0
00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:09.120
Oh, really?

0b7ca5a0-19c9-4193-be3d-c253b1262ee6-0
00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:09.960
How many comps?

02d0a8d1-4410-4d84-9a26-8748219f74aa-0
00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:10.480
3 or 4?

7ae6c232-f1b0-4863-827a-3f19f1a52e27-0
00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:10.920
Wow.

6d9193ee-75c2-4e82-8236-d63c76de1dbf-0
00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.677
I don't,
I don't actually know because I just

6d9193ee-75c2-4e82-8236-d63c76de1dbf-1
00:15:13.677 --> 00:15:14.800
really ran with it.

8b87cb61-b98d-4c25-a09f-3cb79cf3c5a1-0
00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:19.160
But Twisted tournament has like 3 stories
per round as well.

f38eaa61-db75-4504-af72-4f7113dbdb8e-0
00:15:19.160 --> 00:15:22.000
So it's a bit like New York City midnight,
I guess in that way.

42f3847a-ca69-457e-b36a-13910fd122e4-0
00:15:22.400 --> 00:15:26.280
So different lengths and different
amounts of time to get them done.

0e2c58ab-55e3-46f4-b450-ae23f8850f5a-0
00:15:26.280 --> 00:15:29.262
And it's my first time and I,
I had been wanting to enter Twisted

0e2c58ab-55e3-46f4-b450-ae23f8850f5a-1
00:15:29.262 --> 00:15:32.200
Tournament for a while and just didn't
feel like I had capacity.

1f98f51b-f59b-4cf5-ae8f-10a5938e1360-0
00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:35.633
So I was like, listen,
now's the time I'm signing up and it'll

1f98f51b-f59b-4cf5-ae8f-10a5938e1360-1
00:15:35.633 --> 00:15:37.160
be what it is kind of thing.

8afc66fd-3c2e-4778-965b-152aa2a3e18a-0
00:15:37.560 --> 00:15:42.117
And I guess what I've learned from this
experience is that I am burnt out and

8afc66fd-3c2e-4778-965b-152aa2a3e18a-1
00:15:42.117 --> 00:15:42.760
it's a lot.

12ab50dd-44aa-436f-a4e5-bfb50fc9dd9e-0
00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.520
It's a lot to try and write so much in
like a week basically.

def5a7ab-9fb3-4c0f-865a-5513c1b7c94b-0
00:15:46.880 --> 00:15:49.240
And I have been finding that challenging.

627ee745-3d86-4d33-a16f-c10871e67cba-0
00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:52.440
So it's just been the one round of three
so far.

dac4f87a-8593-40cd-84ab-22b917c2c3f2-0
00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:58.800
So it was three stories, a 500 word story,
A250 and A100, all in the space of a week.

53d7ad97-d1ec-45b5-9ca0-4ba66fae0a8a-0
00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.680
And fortunately that week was pretty
clear for me, so I gave it a go.

8e4ccaca-2e62-4551-a483-a081d0c8b38b-0
00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:04.760
But, you know,
I wasn't feeling good about it.

dc5c984d-a1b9-4e36-978b-8c949ad1d40a-0
00:16:04.760 --> 00:16:05.600
It's been a while.

9dc16824-a1ca-44a7-9890-2b1046765f6e-0
00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:07.280
It's like cobweb situation.

671469f2-e106-45dc-bd8b-64011bd120cc-0
00:16:07.560 --> 00:16:08.640
So I did struggle with that.

988b2f9e-3f3b-4d7c-8624-8f266d96ed8a-0
00:16:08.640 --> 00:16:11.612
And to be honest,
I don't have a lot of experience writing

988b2f9e-3f3b-4d7c-8624-8f266d96ed8a-1
00:16:11.612 --> 00:16:12.520
like a 100 anyway.

9960b6e7-acac-45a5-a925-cb24f1d0142f-0
00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:13.480
Yeah, it was good.

f47fca63-770e-4873-a3ed-80ef5af9e64f-0
00:16:13.560 --> 00:16:14.080
It was good.

fe1212a8-bc4f-4ea8-bfcd-1415794f513c-0
00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:14.840
I enjoyed it.

dcfc576d-e954-4302-bf74-98a37eb35495-0
00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:16.000
Feedback's interesting.

ec5beabf-9741-4254-869a-0f0923823e0a-0
00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.875
It's like it's whole,
whole different vibe with Twisted

ec5beabf-9741-4254-869a-0f0923823e0a-1
00:16:18.875 --> 00:16:19.440
Tournament.

4f851029-3c7e-465e-9282-05ea0677aa74-0
00:16:19.680 --> 00:16:20.520
Very positive.

67690dcc-b9f8-4065-a317-4684a6aa77cc-0
00:16:20.520 --> 00:16:22.440
Everyone's just there to have fun,
which I love.

8ef5fd48-bfef-42d8-95b8-b935451a518c-0
00:16:23.040 --> 00:16:25.684
And yeah,
there's a lot of sort of emphasis on

8ef5fd48-bfef-42d8-95b8-b935451a518c-1
00:16:25.684 --> 00:16:28.273
feedback,
which unfortunately I think I found

8ef5fd48-bfef-42d8-95b8-b935451a518c-2
00:16:28.273 --> 00:16:32.493
difficult because I didn't have time to
kind of interact with the feedback

8ef5fd48-bfef-42d8-95b8-b935451a518c-3
00:16:32.493 --> 00:16:33.000
properly.

e357b808-0fcd-474b-b5c2-2f972ea39bd7-0
00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.520
It was like, it was a lot to me.

a4ada529-8d3a-4791-91e2-9377c36dc1e4-0
00:16:35.520 --> 00:16:39.401
And I dipped in and I made some comments
and then I'm like, I just,

a4ada529-8d3a-4791-91e2-9377c36dc1e4-1
00:16:39.401 --> 00:16:40.600
this is overwhelming.

93a2b47d-5e14-4a77-b049-979fdff2d411-0
00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.840
Like I don't have time to read and
comment meaningfully on all these stories.

63e44da2-7d15-48e3-bd60-986d08ec0bca-0
00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:49.400
So that's something I found challenging
as well, but overall very enjoyable.

82004b3e-e25f-4f75-a7b8-6c899ecd2079-0
00:16:49.400 --> 00:16:50.480
What a positivity.

5a8a8c45-4b56-4a41-91ad-a96ff014023b-0
00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.981
It's tricky because we are both very busy
obviously on the comp and on the podcast

5a8a8c45-4b56-4a41-91ad-a96ff014023b-1
00:16:53.981 --> 00:16:55.000
and all the things we do.

61adab4f-f7f4-43b8-a034-2eb282206a20-0
00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:58.173
But I also want to do some more writing
like I want to,

61adab4f-f7f4-43b8-a034-2eb282206a20-1
00:16:58.173 --> 00:17:02.020
I do want to enter more comps and I'm
thinking for myself it's something I will

61adab4f-f7f4-43b8-a034-2eb282206a20-2
00:17:02.020 --> 00:17:05.963
do next year because this year we do have
still all the things we want to work on

61adab4f-f7f4-43b8-a034-2eb282206a20-3
00:17:05.963 --> 00:17:08.080
and I do want to prioritise that this
year.

3c09e9c1-4137-4276-80ed-1050522e8722-0
00:17:08.760 --> 00:17:12.039
So I think next year for me,
but I actually reflecting on,

3c09e9c1-4137-4276-80ed-1050522e8722-1
00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:16.486
on maybe the relationship between feeling
creative and how much time and mental

3c09e9c1-4137-4276-80ed-1050522e8722-2
00:17:16.486 --> 00:17:20.766
bandwidth you have because like you can
never have a perfect situation with,

3c09e9c1-4137-4276-80ed-1050522e8722-3
00:17:20.766 --> 00:17:24.712
with writing and you never really feel
like, oh, or rarely, let's say,

3c09e9c1-4137-4276-80ed-1050522e8722-4
00:17:24.712 --> 00:17:29.159
does the weekend of the competition align
with how you're feeling that weekend,

3c09e9c1-4137-4276-80ed-1050522e8722-5
00:17:29.159 --> 00:17:31.994
how much time you have,
how much sleep you've had,

3c09e9c1-4137-4276-80ed-1050522e8722-6
00:17:31.994 --> 00:17:34.439
like whether or not your calendar is
clear.

c8434723-6396-45f6-a8fa-70d84b30eaef-0
00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:38.040
And sometimes it's an effort and
sometimes it's easier.

b6158834-1fec-4647-88b6-910e7fd609d4-0
00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:43.049
And sometimes your best work comes when
you're under stress and you actually feel

b6158834-1fec-4647-88b6-910e7fd609d4-1
00:17:43.049 --> 00:17:44.480
more energised in a way.

40074e6d-22b7-4aa4-aa2f-fa35f7a6349d-0
00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:47.190
You get more,
you feel more like you need that release

40074e6d-22b7-4aa4-aa2f-fa35f7a6349d-1
00:17:47.190 --> 00:17:50.640
or that creative activity to take you out
of where you are currently.

07fe36f9-cd76-444f-9f94-b9aad787af09-0
00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:54.204
So like sometimes it's,
it's hard to say whether just because you

07fe36f9-cd76-444f-9f94-b9aad787af09-1
00:17:54.204 --> 00:17:57.661
are tired and drained,
like that is necessarily a bad thing for

07fe36f9-cd76-444f-9f94-b9aad787af09-2
00:17:57.661 --> 00:17:58.040
riding.

20a04c1a-9d27-49ed-906f-43c4eeba6fc9-0
00:17:58.280 --> 00:17:59.320
Sometimes it can be good.

f722084d-1c0e-4e2e-a7cf-73a7999edc7e-0
00:17:59.320 --> 00:18:00.200
And yeah, it's a lot.

e251d64e-0af5-49a8-9233-aa7cbdbbcc3f-0
00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:01.720
I think everyone's in the same boat.

456948be-42d8-46d4-ac83-8ae96cd32569-0
00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:05.186
You know,
you've got a lot of pressures and our age,

456948be-42d8-46d4-ac83-8ae96cd32569-1
00:18:05.186 --> 00:18:10.113
you know, you've got a lot of pressures,
whether that be work or children or other

456948be-42d8-46d4-ac83-8ae96cd32569-2
00:18:10.113 --> 00:18:15.039
family commitments or just the day to day,
which is usually over committed anyway.

4d282f4c-15ed-4f49-9dda-cae83e4f34fb-0
00:18:15.600 --> 00:18:16.720
So you're dealing with that.

bcaf3624-c92d-4881-abc1-2211213bdd6e-0
00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:20.086
And like you say, it's,
it's not just the time to be creative for

bcaf3624-c92d-4881-abc1-2211213bdd6e-1
00:18:20.086 --> 00:18:20.240
me.

a7f38e37-f7a4-4274-a974-9463acd4b740-0
00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:25.022
There's a huge aspect of it that's like
the emotional energy to be creative and

a7f38e37-f7a4-4274-a974-9463acd4b740-1
00:18:25.022 --> 00:18:28.848
to like have that confidence in myself to
put myself out there,

a7f38e37-f7a4-4274-a974-9463acd4b740-2
00:18:28.848 --> 00:18:31.240
which is also its own special challenge.

50b5b81b-7437-4fdc-ade5-a0e40d895136-0
00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:35.440
So I can put words on a page,
but do I feel good about it?

7a3efb6b-2096-425d-8a66-6eb115868ca2-0
00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:39.532
Do I have the energy to like believe in
that story and see it through to

7a3efb6b-2096-425d-8a66-6eb115868ca2-1
00:18:39.532 --> 00:18:42.000
completion and edit it properly and
submit?

f85a967d-c2c3-4995-9d50-20d908b58509-0
00:18:42.600 --> 00:18:46.433
And I'm the kind of person who responds
well to like a deadline and to the

f85a967d-c2c3-4995-9d50-20d908b58509-1
00:18:46.433 --> 00:18:48.835
pressure of like,
I paid for this competition,

f85a967d-c2c3-4995-9d50-20d908b58509-2
00:18:48.835 --> 00:18:49.959
so I'm going to enter.

6406f27c-b421-4622-a6e9-d6fc8257c0eb-0
00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:55.241
And so that's not usually enough for me
to at least submit whatever ***** ** ****

6406f27c-b421-4622-a6e9-d6fc8257c0eb-1
00:18:55.241 --> 00:18:58.520
like I've come up with at the time and to
give it a go.

cc8cbc06-2d0b-465d-b0bf-ab9486b5fe63-0
00:18:59.120 --> 00:19:03.773
But that's very different to feeling good
and feeling like I really like this story

cc8cbc06-2d0b-465d-b0bf-ab9486b5fe63-1
00:19:03.773 --> 00:19:08.040
or I'm passionate about it or it said
something that I really wanted to say.

ba574dfa-4ae7-4616-9f0b-443aec051bb8-0
00:19:08.040 --> 00:19:13.643
It's usually for me in recent times more
a case of like I just like wheezed over

ba574dfa-4ae7-4616-9f0b-443aec051bb8-1
00:19:13.643 --> 00:19:18.692
the line and just submitted what I had,
knowing its problems usually and

ba574dfa-4ae7-4616-9f0b-443aec051bb8-2
00:19:18.692 --> 00:19:24.296
accepting that and just being like, well,
I'd rather just yeah, still have a go,

ba574dfa-4ae7-4616-9f0b-443aec051bb8-3
00:19:24.296 --> 00:19:29.000
you know, and not like I'd I hate DNRS,
DNRS, **** I hate DNFS DNR.

27c1bc07-3d73-4a4a-8157-a1ec39c97151-0
00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.200
That's just telling of my mental stuff.

9a8c9db2-c1ef-42f1-904b-446ed304affb-0
00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:32.600
Do not resuscitate.

349c927a-ec04-4cbb-9fbf-bf0d4a2911e4-0
00:19:32.600 --> 00:19:35.960
Oh my God,
that's the stories I do submit are the

349c927a-ec04-4cbb-9fbf-bf0d4a2911e4-1
00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:39.120
DNRS and the DNFS are the ones I don't
submit.

53e28c84-5e43-4e3f-b1d9-14af13e4361d-0
00:19:39.120 --> 00:19:41.447
No,
because I usually what you do is you send

53e28c84-5e43-4e3f-b1d9-14af13e4361d-1
00:19:41.447 --> 00:19:42.560
me a, a ***** ** ****.

106c7437-1fa3-4f85-93c9-4c0570a66523-0
00:19:42.800 --> 00:19:45.052
No,
you send me a message the day before or

106c7437-1fa3-4f85-93c9-4c0570a66523-1
00:19:45.052 --> 00:19:46.640
or the morning of the deadline.

b997a5da-1d57-4c70-8fb7-694021d77435-0
00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:47.960
Be like, I didn't write anything.

cdd5bf18-6e6b-4c51-aef9-2f30ecd9a006-0
00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:52.400
I'm gonna it's a DNF and then you'll send
me one right before the deadline.

ba2943b7-1c4b-4209-82ae-c4eac00ee197-0
00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:53.280
Be like I wrote something.

3a1dca75-1d81-4a26-9eda-32069395d0c1-0
00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:57.200
That's our function, but like,
well done getting it over the line.

1cfda155-a109-4fca-a0c1-e8fb4a8cf932-0
00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:59.483
And yeah,
it's never going to be perfect if you're

1cfda155-a109-4fca-a0c1-e8fb4a8cf932-1
00:19:59.483 --> 00:20:00.200
under that pump.

b22e51f4-99cd-4f8a-ad2f-f144c7f298e8-0
00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:00.600
So.

b31ade3a-6542-4d10-8849-f124e1b9256c-0
00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:02.760
I guess you've got to make that decision
for yourself.

6f43b67c-4461-41e8-a319-bcc397e90d66-0
00:20:02.760 --> 00:20:04.040
Is that something you want to do?

8eb8f509-a543-430a-90ba-8dc5974dbf98-0
00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:07.080
It would be better to have a bit more
time to to play with.

ed774f80-b90c-415f-a369-d095bc0562f6-0
00:20:07.120 --> 00:20:10.206
I mean, for me, I,
I find you're much better than me at

ed774f80-b90c-415f-a369-d095bc0562f6-1
00:20:10.206 --> 00:20:11.640
writing with distractions.

8e9428a0-6cd8-4bd8-a586-f16f84176f5f-0
00:20:12.080 --> 00:20:14.467
Like from what I understand,
you can do a bit of writing,

8e9428a0-6cd8-4bd8-a586-f16f84176f5f-1
00:20:14.467 --> 00:20:16.320
do something else,
come back to the writing.

b8aebdaf-2b89-4aec-97c1-0fc28f6e808c-0
00:20:16.360 --> 00:20:17.000
You know what I mean?

960da928-cc6b-4124-8fcf-7cd32d4d3732-0
00:20:17.080 --> 00:20:17.280
Yeah.

d6bbcfec-b567-4026-a3a3-3732315f1460-0
00:20:17.280 --> 00:20:19.360
I mean,
it doesn't result in like a good outcome.

0598d63d-06ff-4dc9-a4c3-6cb8a415e23c-0
00:20:19.360 --> 00:20:22.550
But yeah, for me,
I feel like I have to be immersed for

0598d63d-06ff-4dc9-a4c3-6cb8a415e23c-1
00:20:22.550 --> 00:20:26.823
like a good four or five hours in
something and just kind of sit in it and

0598d63d-06ff-4dc9-a4c3-6cb8a415e23c-2
00:20:26.823 --> 00:20:31.039
have that be part of me to get it all out
and then I can kind of move on.

501db107-ef8d-462d-af87-0848fcccafec-0
00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:32.680
I can't like dip in and out.

8b425768-ef1d-40de-ba4e-ecdcbc3cf095-0
00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:33.520
I struggle with that.

2eb6e024-2570-40f5-b3f1-6cc0e6f9e9ee-0
00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:34.880
That's some me problem.

280ead7a-a5a3-43ec-8f1b-aafee1192343-0
00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.080
I mean,
that's just how you like to do it as well.

eb64d7ec-bafc-4b1b-b9d7-45282f527f6c-0
00:20:37.080 --> 00:20:38.040
Like that's fine.

5e277b6c-4689-4497-95f1-cb67573a68b1-0
00:20:38.280 --> 00:20:41.893
But you know, I guess I,
I would like to say to the people who

5e277b6c-4689-4497-95f1-cb67573a68b1-1
00:20:41.893 --> 00:20:46.308
enter our competition as well, like,
we know it's just a weekend and you got

5e277b6c-4689-4497-95f1-cb67573a68b1-2
00:20:46.308 --> 00:20:47.799
**** on a lot of the time.

5fe0060a-f19c-47f5-b751-3b30b28ba296-0
00:20:47.800 --> 00:20:50.729
And like,
I'm not expecting people to just like

5fe0060a-f19c-47f5-b751-3b30b28ba296-1
00:20:50.729 --> 00:20:55.245
come to us with like this piece of
perfection that has just been born of,

5fe0060a-f19c-47f5-b751-3b30b28ba296-2
00:20:55.245 --> 00:20:58.174
you know,
the Angel singing and the muse coming

5fe0060a-f19c-47f5-b751-3b30b28ba296-3
00:20:58.174 --> 00:20:58.480
down.

73b2f874-e806-485b-a928-51c75290db1d-0
00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:00.440
Like it's just a piece of writing.

a5b441d1-fefc-4217-9983-5a4959dcbc9f-0
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:01.720
You had a crack.

5b128246-662c-4c9c-ad58-ea626114ccb6-0
00:21:01.840 --> 00:21:05.748
You might have had a good idea that just
flowed or you might have had a **** idea

5b128246-662c-4c9c-ad58-ea626114ccb6-1
00:21:05.748 --> 00:21:07.560
that you've workshopped into oblivion.

f28d74c9-ad46-463c-90e9-19010dc6695a-0
00:21:07.560 --> 00:21:09.800
Like whatever it is having a go.

78024d38-9a38-4980-9762-adbde5d51c80-0
00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:13.420
And we say this all the time, but like,
actually submitting something is already

78024d38-9a38-4980-9762-adbde5d51c80-1
00:21:13.420 --> 00:21:13.680
a win.

1760c7cf-4223-4a47-8610-a40480c04ebd-0
00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:16.281
I really do think that I feel that for
myself,

1760c7cf-4223-4a47-8610-a40480c04ebd-1
00:21:16.281 --> 00:21:20.820
that just that relief of like I did it,
even though I'm not super proud of what I

1760c7cf-4223-4a47-8610-a40480c04ebd-2
00:21:20.820 --> 00:21:23.754
submitted,
I'm so glad I submitted something and you

1760c7cf-4223-4a47-8610-a40480c04ebd-3
00:21:23.754 --> 00:21:24.640
just never know.

149aee4b-1f44-4b95-9688-e7b8110cc7a0-0
00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.040
Like you can't be objective about your
own writing.

a80f3454-a332-4039-96ce-d56b12f5a892-0
00:21:27.040 --> 00:21:31.882
Often it's the stuff that we hate that
resonates with someone else or you know,

a80f3454-a332-4039-96ce-d56b12f5a892-1
00:21:31.882 --> 00:21:36.240
we love something so much and everyone's
just like you just can't know.

23f509fc-e020-47b0-b561-9f97c3418231-0
00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:39.211
I'll tell you what,
we're actually before we started

23f509fc-e020-47b0-b561-9f97c3418231-1
00:21:39.211 --> 00:21:42.783
recording, we were reflecting on, like,
what makes a winning piece in flash

23f509fc-e020-47b0-b561-9f97c3418231-2
00:21:42.783 --> 00:21:43.160
fiction.

81da2aee-bd3c-4cae-bd14-b38a99a66bb5-0
00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:47.249
And I know that whenever we have awarded
someone the win for a competition,

81da2aee-bd3c-4cae-bd14-b38a99a66bb5-1
00:21:47.249 --> 00:21:49.240
it's always been a surprise for them.

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00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:50.240
Like, no one has gone.

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00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:51.280
Oh, yeah, I expected that.

b2eeecae-87fe-45f6-a8e2-2e8fe0628eef-0
00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.200
And, you know, you,
you've won furious fiction.

907aef38-5f97-48e2-892e-153e29307123-0
00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:56.040
And it was a surprise for you.

d0079353-e575-429f-84ed-37304e0ce0cc-0
00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:56.720
Yeah, as well.

8329a09c-06ae-44b1-9682-7becb96dee71-0
00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:57.280
It still is.

139ecb0b-6c7e-4f48-bbd0-5685ecd5b781-0
00:21:57.280 --> 00:21:59.080
I'm like, that was not that.

ab935f93-bc53-4e8f-b618-a25b0b6fe98b-0
00:21:59.120 --> 00:21:59.800
But that's the thing.

a4bff722-8bb2-4fcb-a1b4-a8fb55d0307f-0
00:21:59.800 --> 00:22:00.880
It's hard to be objective.

b886865e-c31c-4007-83df-0ca43b0b4687-0
00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:05.709
And sometimes you think you haven't done
a good job or like it hasn't hit exactly

b886865e-c31c-4007-83df-0ca43b0b4687-1
00:22:05.709 --> 00:22:09.714
where you wanted it to go,
but it's hit a place in the judge's mind

b886865e-c31c-4007-83df-0ca43b0b4687-2
00:22:09.714 --> 00:22:13.542
or in someone else's mind that maybe you
didn't expect or, yeah,

b886865e-c31c-4007-83df-0ca43b0b4687-3
00:22:13.542 --> 00:22:14.720
you just never know.

8ad3ae2a-9cd3-4e19-a5fe-e2db2d45375f-0
00:22:14.760 --> 00:22:15.080
Yeah.

f6ee3e63-fe30-4dd4-b842-a10c682d20f9-0
00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:16.200
And so I hope people do.

510a9539-5b89-4d01-bc88-7ff81a92362b-0
00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:17.360
You know, I hate DNFS.

85024e35-70b0-49e7-ad6e-13fcd2ca5781-0
00:22:17.360 --> 00:22:18.560
They make, they make me very sad.

6cfbb73e-caff-4cbe-b028-bcbe6c306ba4-0
00:22:19.080 --> 00:22:20.680
You just never know what's going to come
out.

5fdba44f-9819-4ba9-8ae2-ba39737df4fe-0
00:22:20.840 --> 00:22:22.760
Pressure produces diamonds sometimes.

fb593255-749a-4b77-b3a8-92699cb43adc-0
00:22:22.760 --> 00:22:23.360
A lot of ****.

f905e605-8895-4d7f-97b8-2501703278c5-0
00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:24.200
There's a lot of ****.

9476775e-3fa1-4039-9a75-d7c8ce96e0e1-0
00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:25.760
That's OK Give us your ****.

a4c3999c-7c7a-4ac1-8940-47bcba5f40db-0
00:22:26.040 --> 00:22:26.560
It's fine.

45e9382b-1a1d-4d20-8571-4a03d9c81492-0
00:22:26.560 --> 00:22:27.600
You won't get any judgement.

6307ba33-c69e-42f2-a764-4dfd48409f3f-0
00:22:27.600 --> 00:22:29.850
I mean,
you'll get actual literal judgement,

6307ba33-c69e-42f2-a764-4dfd48409f3f-1
00:22:29.850 --> 00:22:31.200
but it's not a competition.

94f337ae-94d0-457e-8bc0-4baebc03acac-0
00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:33.160
It's not a competition.

027b14fc-2b88-48c1-a0fc-a4e17cc892f1-0
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:34.040
We don't judge you.

408b09c2-8828-41e9-af2f-167d189fc6f6-0
00:22:36.600 --> 00:22:36.840
No.

07e5df39-3320-4220-aebe-33894dd2c315-0
00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:39.485
But yeah,
it's a process and you're not going to

07e5df39-3320-4220-aebe-33894dd2c315-1
00:22:39.485 --> 00:22:40.160
win every time.

598076c6-dc45-4f62-b5b9-d2b9e209c1c7-0
00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.240
But like, the more you do it,
the better you get.

b6dd4344-9987-4a2c-8d9e-72571750ea98-0
00:22:42.320 --> 00:22:45.252
And just coming back to like real life
writing friends,

b6dd4344-9987-4a2c-8d9e-72571750ea98-1
00:22:45.252 --> 00:22:47.766
the more friends you make in the writing
space,

b6dd4344-9987-4a2c-8d9e-72571750ea98-2
00:22:47.766 --> 00:22:50.280
and if you're doing flash fiction
competitions,

b6dd4344-9987-4a2c-8d9e-72571750ea98-3
00:22:50.280 --> 00:22:53.527
the more friends you make in flash
fiction competition space,

b6dd4344-9987-4a2c-8d9e-72571750ea98-4
00:22:53.527 --> 00:22:54.680
the more wins you get.

578de82b-7e8d-4a4e-97b9-943f39254eb2-0
00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:58.682
Because quite literally,
like I take every win of my friends as my

578de82b-7e8d-4a4e-97b9-943f39254eb2-1
00:22:58.682 --> 00:22:59.160
own win.

cbe5242b-7f74-4320-bbfe-a525dcdf469a-0
00:22:59.280 --> 00:22:59.400
Yeah.

c93d3037-426a-402a-b7a4-7c483b45bd16-0
00:23:00.760 --> 00:23:06.090
If someone else's name is on a long list
or a short list or a win, I'm like, yes,

c93d3037-426a-402a-b7a4-7c483b45bd16-1
00:23:06.090 --> 00:23:06.480
I won.

45e6b299-564c-48a6-83d7-e90b8d3b7499-0
00:23:07.320 --> 00:23:11.320
And it's been great seeing some of our
former winners and short listers and long

45e6b299-564c-48a6-83d7-e90b8d3b7499-1
00:23:11.320 --> 00:23:13.000
listers turning up on other lists.

1e6bf763-ecf1-4094-8165-075a63088e22-0
00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.273
Well, not even,
like they might not even make our long

1e6bf763-ecf1-4094-8165-075a63088e22-1
00:23:15.273 --> 00:23:15.480
list.

0bd0a99e-b368-43c7-a4e9-bdc1ce78d107-0
00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.160
And they find their home somewhere else.

fb155e90-286a-4b9f-a6df-2d29eeb8e4f0-0
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.120
And that's always very exciting as well.

149e44ef-aa29-4ae2-be32-7a9990126b9e-0
00:23:19.280 --> 00:23:21.386
Yeah,
Like now I've got this whole community of

149e44ef-aa29-4ae2-be32-7a9990126b9e-1
00:23:21.386 --> 00:23:24.240
everyone who enters our comp,
like when they they win something.

6b5c3858-e2d1-4bcd-b573-e655b19700f1-0
00:23:27.040 --> 00:23:27.400
Sorry, sorry.

0df64b32-153e-4d96-b5df-d09d1e39abff-0
00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:32.536
I just everyone who enters our Comm,
whenever they get published somewhere or

0df64b32-153e-4d96-b5df-d09d1e39abff-1
00:23:32.536 --> 00:23:37.008
do well in another competition or even
just post to their own blogs,

0df64b32-153e-4d96-b5df-d09d1e39abff-2
00:23:37.008 --> 00:23:40.120
it's just like, oh,
I achieved something today.

f82eeee2-3ac0-4155-a739-513a4b079b38-0
00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:43.400
Yeah, absolutely, vicariously, 100%.

ee9ea085-b9e0-48e0-9be5-6e0afc96d885-0
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:44.200
I love it so much.

b3d2e79a-306c-42be-b618-1bf148b652b2-0
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:46.000
All right, so let's move on.

2b14d927-6e48-48e8-b53b-76ccabdf596e-0
00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:50.274
Before we get into Poe,
we have one voicemail from a listener,

2b14d927-6e48-48e8-b53b-76ccabdf596e-1
00:23:50.274 --> 00:23:55.160
and that's from Lilith Falkins,
and she's coming at us with a hot take.

1cc2cf0b-fb06-42b9-b381-718669d57d6f-0
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:56.960
So let's listen to that now.

ea808d54-e4b6-4d2d-96f0-0c4b22a0ccc7-0
00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:00.320
Hi, Edna.

02f43b98-d1cb-4c5b-9c91-8a591c36d8a7-0
00:24:00.320 --> 00:24:03.066
Amanda,
I'm Lilith Falkins from Florida and the

02f43b98-d1cb-4c5b-9c91-8a591c36d8a7-1
00:24:03.066 --> 00:24:05.756
USA,
and my hot take is that rating books with

02f43b98-d1cb-4c5b-9c91-8a591c36d8a7-2
00:24:05.756 --> 00:24:08.159
one to five stars is functionally useless.

52bfa15c-b1d2-48da-8430-c19fdd761e87-0
00:24:08.560 --> 00:24:09.880
Stars have become inflated.

4055a648-9b02-4c44-bd2e-d586eb1af707-0
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:13.253
So an average three out of five is seen
as bad instead of, you know,

4055a648-9b02-4c44-bd2e-d586eb1af707-1
00:24:13.253 --> 00:24:15.160
average like a middle of the road book.

0feb733c-519a-455a-aae5-eac021d2dc07-0
00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.666
It could be like Rotten Tomatoes,
where serious reviews from critics are

0feb733c-519a-455a-aae5-eac021d2dc07-1
00:24:18.666 --> 00:24:21.309
there for those who are looking for more
intellectual,

0feb733c-519a-455a-aae5-eac021d2dc07-2
00:24:21.309 --> 00:24:24.960
artistic engagement and then general
populace for pure entertainment value.

b7ace329-640a-4530-aada-7ca737770835-0
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.960
So thank you for your message, Lilith,
and thank you for being so patient.

316ce365-ac6b-4d0c-badc-18d7bd8dcbeb-0
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:34.054
I know we've been sitting on this for a
while waiting for our next regular

316ce365-ac6b-4d0c-badc-18d7bd8dcbeb-1
00:24:34.054 --> 00:24:36.200
episode to come up,
so can't wait to talk about it.

c9c83402-fa3a-4880-b992-2b3ae3722e62-0
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:37.040
I've got a lot to say.

920f408b-b74b-420b-b6be-b18749010aba-0
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:37.920
I bet you do.

4d6ed7b9-c569-4c10-8c27-00280fa4bc1c-0
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.778
Well,
I was just going to say I'm going to

4d6ed7b9-c569-4c10-8c27-00280fa4bc1c-1
00:24:39.778 --> 00:24:42.760
defer to you on this one because you are
the resident book reviewer.

3cc6b099-c820-45b3-abdf-19fa067fab9d-0
00:24:42.760 --> 00:24:45.200
You've got your following on Goodreads.

236f00ce-1e8e-44a2-b29b-d7c0cd95c195-0
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.480
You've got your hordes who listen to what
you think.

ab02b48e-9801-4302-bfb0-78f503454892-0
00:24:47.560 --> 00:24:49.760
So I'm going to listen to what you think
right now.

361616c0-a7d6-4f8d-8468-e364ebf1e4ca-0
00:24:50.560 --> 00:24:53.257
Well, listen,
I haven't posted much on Goodreads since

361616c0-a7d6-4f8d-8468-e364ebf1e4ca-1
00:24:53.257 --> 00:24:56.200
we started the podcast,
coincidentally for various reasons.

4298cc40-aba9-495e-8b34-3371dc8e2e0a-0
00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.579
One of them being I don't have time to
read anything except for competition

4298cc40-aba9-495e-8b34-3371dc8e2e0a-1
00:25:00.579 --> 00:25:01.040
entries.

dd5ba547-195b-48b0-b6be-e0e1bb2a1771-0
00:25:01.600 --> 00:25:04.672
But yeah,
I've got thoughts on this because I feel

dd5ba547-195b-48b0-b6be-e0e1bb2a1771-1
00:25:04.672 --> 00:25:07.804
like Lilith,
that the rating system that we have is

dd5ba547-195b-48b0-b6be-e0e1bb2a1771-2
00:25:07.804 --> 00:25:11.720
pretty much useless and like,
unless we're all on the same page.

244087a5-38c9-4438-9711-fe1b57251262-0
00:25:12.120 --> 00:25:15.495
So the star system on Goodreads,
this is like if you hover over the stars,

244087a5-38c9-4438-9711-fe1b57251262-1
00:25:15.495 --> 00:25:17.160
it will tell you what the stars mean.

e02d6297-0424-439a-9624-32e8d516bf99-0
00:25:17.800 --> 00:25:19.880
One star is I didn't like it.

5dead96a-d8dd-48b0-b21d-9fc723b4f5b1-0
00:25:20.040 --> 00:25:22.347
OK,
if you didn't like something that's the

5dead96a-d8dd-48b0-b21d-9fc723b4f5b1-1
00:25:22.347 --> 00:25:24.760
only option that you have like it's one
star.

a6b5a0fb-08f8-416f-abfd-d374c669c0e1-0
00:25:24.760 --> 00:25:26.280
I didn't like it one star.

84a15f20-6166-464f-9696-fe0207e3f846-0
00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:27.200
It's pretty straightforward.

9500c200-93bd-4367-a59d-b83d7394f787-0
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:33.514
2 stars is it was OK, OK, so for me,
a two star book is a book that like all

9500c200-93bd-4367-a59d-b83d7394f787-1
00:25:33.514 --> 00:25:38.440
right, it had some redeeming features,
but it didn't didn't way.

a5895f34-972a-43ef-8145-f592ba600e4e-0
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:40.880
I wouldn't recommend it didn't knock you
away.

c9ed0cae-faa0-4054-b137-347eaa919afe-0
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:41.640
Did I say that?

2188fa86-8921-4636-a5ab-f57bd955fe8c-0
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:42.160
I think so.

c0da56f2-f88a-4dc6-883b-fe81ef47ed94-0
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:43.320
It didn't beat me off.

1e1e3ccf-3993-4467-a364-170ac34a481a-0
00:25:43.320 --> 00:25:43.720
It didn't.

8f57926d-b7d9-45b4-b2ed-dfa853650afc-0
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:48.000
Two stars.

5892bf4c-52fb-442a-8c7e-0675232c4f8e-0
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:49.800
Yeah, that's right.

2ee838f5-7225-4eb8-b41e-496cdd8a8c30-0
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.360
Give you every book two stars.

819ad600-1719-45c2-a527-2eb6fc7e8545-0
00:25:51.520 --> 00:25:56.160
Like you have to beat it off to get three
stars is a bare minimum.

73dac05c-ed6f-44a3-9672-e2c86cdcdee3-0
00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:02.520
And then from there, well,
I'll give you 5 anyway.

386860f6-6b8f-442b-9086-465ae84077de-0
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.510
So three stars is I liked it,
which for me,

386860f6-6b8f-442b-9086-465ae84077de-1
00:26:06.510 --> 00:26:10.360
a book that is good that I liked,
that I enjoy is 3 stars.

785cf01a-fa82-4f84-80bb-a1b7ad6a70ea-0
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.520
Yeah, four stars, I really liked it.

b03d3d74-188a-4553-a5f5-a5099127fe3e-0
00:26:12.520 --> 00:26:14.640
And five stars, it was amazing.

dfb38856-f14b-4a7a-a116-e4f192dc7fc1-0
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:15.160
OK.

260338cf-b9c8-4d7f-a65b-7714b2300436-0
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:19.840
So most books if if like you're a person
who reads books that are mostly good.

f236dff5-4f23-4cd8-91e6-c31e7e361c75-0
00:26:19.840 --> 00:26:24.240
And I tend to kind of curate the books I
tend to read and I waste your time on.

a0ce097e-9c89-44f0-9ddc-4db8015cc051-0
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.018
And yeah,
I'm not the kind of person who'll just

a0ce097e-9c89-44f0-9ddc-4db8015cc051-1
00:26:26.018 --> 00:26:27.760
pick up a random book that I've never
heard of.

bd7bd9fa-d9c1-48fb-a68b-a07b78223b04-0
00:26:27.840 --> 00:26:29.950
So like,
I've got some assurance that at least

bd7bd9fa-d9c1-48fb-a68b-a07b78223b04-1
00:26:29.950 --> 00:26:32.960
some people like the book that I'm gonna
read, generally speaking.

2f88a0d1-6ecc-4b5c-ae9a-804f39b13438-0
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:36.144
So if I liked it,
if I thought it's a strong book,

2f88a0d1-6ecc-4b5c-ae9a-804f39b13438-1
00:26:36.144 --> 00:26:38.080
like 3 stars, great, well done.

49b51e58-b479-4793-aace-68c6dec169c2-0
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.322
If it was really good,
like it had something exceptional,

49b51e58-b479-4793-aace-68c6dec169c2-1
00:26:41.322 --> 00:26:41.720
4 stars.

0f890cb6-6c72-40f8-bde0-b51bc09d9253-0
00:26:42.120 --> 00:26:46.299
If it was like an absolute favourite,
like knocked me away, five stars,

0f890cb6-6c72-40f8-bde0-b51bc09d9253-1
00:26:46.299 --> 00:26:46.880
all right.

83593b16-866d-42b7-a9c4-7f85e64c312a-0
00:26:47.320 --> 00:26:52.118
But the books that get 5 stars are going
to be fewer and further between than the

83593b16-866d-42b7-a9c4-7f85e64c312a-1
00:26:52.118 --> 00:26:55.980
ones get that get 3 stars,
because five stars is like the highest

83593b16-866d-42b7-a9c4-7f85e64c312a-2
00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:57.560
level, the best thing ever.

25bd12a5-0587-47aa-84fe-d3aa626dd494-0
00:26:57.840 --> 00:27:00.040
So five stars is like, it blew you away.

df64a77c-0f8d-4049-9a12-b3ebd5ac2e7e-0
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.840
But what if it just blew you six stars?

7cb0e027-c0ae-4fe9-9396-b9a93952c2d4-0
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.440
Oh, wow, you almost blew out microphone.

9fedba7e-237b-4296-8721-4d12d4e0d0d3-0
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:10.600
Just.

a44b6b2f-2781-4695-9903-43cf6dcbb54e-0
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.080
Why not at this point?

857c12be-a255-4797-bd5d-d12da2101ac5-0
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.160
So, yeah,
I agree with Lilith that the star system

857c12be-a255-4797-bd5d-d12da2101ac5-1
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.680
has become five stars is just your
default.

e5a9047b-3b0f-4caa-a3fd-ba1c97431cfd-0
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:19.240
Yeah.

9887daee-1cae-4892-9b34-b470bc16714b-0
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:22.160
And I think this kind anything less is
almost cruel to the old.

51914151-5674-4245-a629-6dd8dcaf129d-0
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:22.520
Yeah.

7cafc8a0-6913-4feb-80f4-a71f92870ad9-0
00:27:22.520 --> 00:27:26.264
And this has come from, I think,
like the way that we review products and

7cafc8a0-6913-4feb-80f4-a71f92870ad9-1
00:27:26.264 --> 00:27:26.720
services.

9a63cdc9-835a-4da0-adf1-c085d8fca7b7-0
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.200
Like you get in an Uber and you don't
give them five stars.

795ee687-1691-4cec-b0a3-c12f2cfb2bb8-0
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.400
Even if it was just a satisfactory Uber,
it's a problem.

66c6e4ca-122c-4163-a316-283baa2394c4-0
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:33.800
And people are judged on the metrics.

0c4c053b-4661-4e5b-baf5-9d333484743f-0
00:27:33.800 --> 00:27:37.772
I know for like companies like Uber or
anywhere you leave a review or a star

0c4c053b-4661-4e5b-baf5-9d333484743f-1
00:27:37.772 --> 00:27:41.280
rating, if it's less than five stars,
that means there's a problem.

3d34ee84-f45e-4c26-a095-00536a2d3163-0
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:46.880
And that means like an average ratings
for services tend to be like 4.9 stars.

6ba448e0-24aa-44fd-9864-ddbe363696a5-0
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:50.473
If you're like a a customer service
person and people rate you and your

6ba448e0-24aa-44fd-9864-ddbe363696a5-1
00:27:50.473 --> 00:27:52.720
average is like 4.5,
that means you're ****.

f0da4375-b4a0-40c5-a637-6c86d8e6a50b-0
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:53.240
Yeah.

7d66cb8f-5d40-4b2a-ad3c-7b6c29127a28-0
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.120
So I think that maybe that approaches
skewed things.

d1c420bf-2702-4415-afa3-1367cdad823f-0
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.800
Do you think it's like a capitalism thing?

97ecf8e4-d1a1-48ff-bf32-b6609414d83d-0
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.229
You know, like,
it's very much about getting sales and

97ecf8e4-d1a1-48ff-bf32-b6609414d83d-1
00:28:02.229 --> 00:28:06.509
it's not about meaningfully connecting
with people because if you like,

97ecf8e4-d1a1-48ff-bf32-b6609414d83d-2
00:28:06.509 --> 00:28:11.086
it's OK if people just like your book,
especially if they're not really your

97ecf8e4-d1a1-48ff-bf32-b6609414d83d-3
00:28:11.086 --> 00:28:11.799
demographic.

2c51dbe9-8f30-4a64-a015-c2cf7812a484-0
00:28:11.800 --> 00:28:13.286
You know,
it depends what you're trying to write

2c51dbe9-8f30-4a64-a015-c2cf7812a484-1
00:28:13.286 --> 00:28:14.440
and who you're trying to connect with.

121d2e2d-6301-4ad3-8e40-b9619d624837-0
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:18.952
But when I write stuff,
I'm mostly trying to amuse myself and my

121d2e2d-6301-4ad3-8e40-b9619d624837-1
00:28:18.952 --> 00:28:22.285
friends,
and I wouldn't expect everyone to just

121d2e2d-6301-4ad3-8e40-b9619d624837-2
00:28:22.285 --> 00:28:24.159
fawn all over what I write.

15a40745-e799-47ee-b266-49deb6df8cba-0
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.360
Yeah, you know, looked totally.

b4e9d168-b891-4a57-be35-a2a0f06a01f2-0
00:28:26.360 --> 00:28:30.748
And but I would also say we're part of
the problem here because we've just asked

b4e9d168-b891-4a57-be35-a2a0f06a01f2-1
00:28:30.748 --> 00:28:32.320
people for five star reviews.

8344ae24-6cb9-490f-bf08-2b3a056b881c-0
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:34.160
And no, I don't need 5 star.

34b4773c-a264-452f-9062-06bc0816a3a0-0
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:34.760
Be real.

90ae101d-9bf0-41ee-b080-adc21831852a-0
00:28:34.760 --> 00:28:36.000
No, but like, just but 5.

f871032f-35ff-45d7-943f-bdc24a99b718-0
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:39.488
But like,
don't review us if you're not gonna give

f871032f-35ff-45d7-943f-bdc24a99b718-1
00:28:39.488 --> 00:28:42.520
five stars because everything is so
overhyped.

14650ecf-e452-447d-9b7c-3286f8cf9d00-0
00:28:42.600 --> 00:28:43.000
Yeah.

79fdccc9-7acb-4a08-ad7e-ea8b123fc752-0
00:28:43.080 --> 00:28:45.440
And to the point that the reviews are
meaningless.

68fcdba4-45c2-403d-820c-975ff966a5ad-0
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.240
And I would you kind of,
you don't review ****.

b509e334-8177-44c9-a101-7019cf84461e-0
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.399
I mean,
if you've got a habit of reviewing books

b509e334-8177-44c9-a101-7019cf84461e-1
00:28:50.399 --> 00:28:53.440
and you review every book, OK,
that's that's its own separate thing.

bf68656d-9d4f-4e3c-8096-7af945bdc717-0
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.200
But as a consumer,
I would only review anything if I really

bf68656d-9d4f-4e3c-8096-7af945bdc717-1
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:01.651
liked it so much and I was trying to
support the people who were doing

bf68656d-9d4f-4e3c-8096-7af945bdc717-2
00:29:01.651 --> 00:29:05.098
whatever it is,
or I wanted to punish them for the bad

bf68656d-9d4f-4e3c-8096-7af945bdc717-3
00:29:05.098 --> 00:29:05.600
service.

8f6c3299-11bc-4b6c-a55f-6a57a958ccb3-0
00:29:05.600 --> 00:29:07.320
Like, that's why you'd leave a review,
right?

38907a76-df52-4ede-9f38-64b4a9164ca4-0
00:29:07.320 --> 00:29:10.840
Like people must know that they're going
to RIP you off, you know?

128a04d9-9d6d-49be-a3ac-64b0d0df6cfe-0
00:29:10.840 --> 00:29:13.400
I want to share that so they don't get to
RIP anyone else off.

e77c2879-0168-4a63-b519-0e4e803134c7-0
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:14.560
That's one motivation.

7355cb4b-7ab3-4f1b-9e3e-39e33be07097-0
00:29:14.560 --> 00:29:17.600
And the other is, oh, my God, I love them.

d471c675-63b0-44c9-9df3-52dbbde273c8-0
00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:18.680
They need my support.

96bcd1e9-b741-45a8-957b-a59e2fa9869e-0
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.520
I want other people to know they're great
so that they find them and that's it.

e6182e82-381c-47fd-9fe8-e9e0f75c0b93-0
00:29:21.520 --> 00:29:22.800
I don't review ****.

714b5169-00b3-4a13-b31d-590f57859660-0
00:29:22.840 --> 00:29:23.960
If it's like, yeah, that was fine.

47ff899a-5f8a-43ee-8b8e-17d77e705e81-0
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:25.080
Why would I?

df66d53e-88ea-481b-b96d-8bedd01758ac-0
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:26.840
So I review on Goodreads.

cd6bcfbb-86dc-4140-b6bf-2d12f7194caa-0
00:29:26.840 --> 00:29:30.600
I also do movies on Letterboxed as well.

3af5258b-85ce-4879-b34d-8b9b56a96401-0
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.120
And both of those I started for the same
reason.

47e83dd2-065c-4ef5-a400-7112dd1b30c3-0
00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:37.320
Not because I want to like,
like influence, influence anyone.

21e968c2-f08a-4b09-83c7-213013c50058-0
00:29:37.320 --> 00:29:37.760
Exactly.

48cd4d1d-6f0c-4793-ae2c-1490eb2080a2-0
00:29:37.760 --> 00:29:39.899
No,
it's because I've got a really bad memory

48cd4d1d-6f0c-4793-ae2c-1490eb2080a2-1
00:29:39.899 --> 00:29:42.086
and about three months after I've read a
book,

48cd4d1d-6f0c-4793-ae2c-1490eb2080a2-2
00:29:42.086 --> 00:29:44.040
I've forgotten what that's a little diary.

5086c3ed-8844-4762-bd24-b9f9048f000a-0
00:29:44.040 --> 00:29:47.240
And it's a diary and that's all it's,
that's why I started it.

0903d971-e595-42e4-877f-0f18e58f9cc2-0
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.200
It's so that I can also, like,
enjoy connecting with people.

16b693a0-00ad-4192-bde6-45895c7c1ee9-0
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.280
There must be people on there who taste
that you share.

e4683f84-daaf-49f0-9fba-ea6bfa32a112-0
00:29:53.280 --> 00:29:54.880
And yeah, that's part of it.

ecdbe65f-6bde-4907-8029-56f7c43b2acd-0
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:56.600
But that kind of grew out of the initial.

3c22be7d-99db-4601-9b57-fce27e340126-0
00:29:56.600 --> 00:29:59.462
And I'm saying that in response to your
point about like, you don't,

3c22be7d-99db-4601-9b57-fce27e340126-1
00:29:59.462 --> 00:30:02.160
you wouldn't review something that you
didn't love, but I would.

bd7de1be-d310-42ba-99e3-cdfd494a7769-0
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.198
I would review something that I didn't
love and say, well,

bd7de1be-d310-42ba-99e3-cdfd494a7769-1
00:30:04.198 --> 00:30:05.200
this is what I felt about it.

ec7841ce-bfce-4657-a588-3303ef379099-0
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:10.400
The difference I feel between who are of
you on Goodreads and like Letterboxed.

c4eb1086-0e7c-459f-af26-46f8e63a27a4-0
00:30:10.800 --> 00:30:15.080
I read mostly literary fiction and mostly
wanky **** Yeah.

9de84192-7cb6-428c-8502-6ad3451ffd12-0
00:30:15.080 --> 00:30:21.451
But also a lot of stuff that's written by
people who are no longer alive or maybe

9de84192-7cb6-428c-8502-6ad3451ffd12-1
00:30:21.451 --> 00:30:25.880
don't need my review to to add to their
prestige, right.

7c2fbb8d-ffbd-4b01-947a-3d8aa8501f4d-0
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:27.560
And same goes for movies.

e5dcbf08-1356-474d-bdc5-54250dcba2da-0
00:30:27.560 --> 00:30:29.371
Like if you review a movie positively or
negative,

e5dcbf08-1356-474d-bdc5-54250dcba2da-1
00:30:29.371 --> 00:30:31.929
it's not going to like the director is
not going to be like, Oh my God,

e5dcbf08-1356-474d-bdc5-54250dcba2da-2
00:30:31.929 --> 00:30:32.960
I can't believe you did this.

6dc3ac5b-205c-4a22-959e-3b4b1941d582-0
00:30:33.040 --> 00:30:33.440
They might.

ab6c8896-b0c2-4203-8509-b7820ef058c3-0
00:30:33.600 --> 00:30:38.400
But I did once write a review for a book
that was by a independent author.

4d3e63c8-9b69-484b-8de7-46d5fe8548b5-0
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.560
Like it was published,
but it was a independent author.

15e77d43-a547-466f-bae6-b21f4037ce99-0
00:30:40.560 --> 00:30:44.320
And they did message me about my review
to clarify a few things.

65d25ff9-fa72-4670-a246-8d1d5e1625ac-0
00:30:44.760 --> 00:30:47.600
And I gave it three stars,
which means do you like means I liked it?

da5134de-16d0-451d-9f9c-31e9b6d2b6f3-0
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:48.840
Isn't that you really liked?

30365ebb-d8b6-4c02-9728-3ec369b51e7f-0
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:49.680
No, three stars is.

fda9c3d6-ac97-45a3-9b49-6f523456f7f9-0
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.160
I liked it.

38d96080-8eda-4f87-a2fa-40998de3c2db-0
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:50.560
I liked it.

58a779d1-8e04-496f-b4c5-a5b83375c7b7-0
00:30:50.600 --> 00:30:53.200
So three stars,
according to my rating system, I liked it.

2a999b64-e91b-4f03-8de2-d008bb5061d1-0
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.320
And I called out things I didn't didn't
like about it.

0ca74363-6d5e-4081-bef4-9117a50fc9d7-0
00:30:55.600 --> 00:30:59.794
But then they messaged me,
and I felt bad about that because three

0ca74363-6d5e-4081-bef4-9117a50fc9d7-1
00:30:59.794 --> 00:31:02.800
stars looks bad to an independent small
author.

3ee7fba0-fcb1-4193-a0ed-9f207846f947-0
00:31:03.080 --> 00:31:04.080
That wasn't my intention.

da901a06-1f72-4d2b-bed2-96667a298066-0
00:31:04.080 --> 00:31:06.220
And again,
my intention was just to catalogue the

da901a06-1f72-4d2b-bed2-96667a298066-1
00:31:06.220 --> 00:31:09.689
things that I had read so that I could go
back later and remember what I thought

da901a06-1f72-4d2b-bed2-96667a298066-2
00:31:09.689 --> 00:31:10.160
about them.

b65df394-d921-4a8a-a94d-6edc0aa38f62-0
00:31:10.520 --> 00:31:12.720
So yeah, I think there's that tension.

e6b80097-38a5-44d0-86af-9a3a5659333e-0
00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:16.834
People who are using those platforms to
promote their books, like good reads,

e6b80097-38a5-44d0-86af-9a3a5659333e-1
00:31:16.834 --> 00:31:20.024
like to promote their books,
they expect five stars or as close as

e6b80097-38a5-44d0-86af-9a3a5659333e-2
00:31:20.024 --> 00:31:21.120
possible to five stars.

12b8beae-32e2-4c10-b808-47b66b9ac00c-0
00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:24.440
Otherwise perceived that people are not
going to want to buy it.

32194c5a-8f2f-4275-b19f-2df47c68ccea-0
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.414
Because the expectation based on the way
things work in the modern world is that

32194c5a-8f2f-4275-b19f-2df47c68ccea-1
00:31:28.414 --> 00:31:29.600
five stars is the default.

e5ad7e79-6a19-4296-992e-3c203b20b17d-0
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.296
But also that makes a pretty useless
rating system because if you're on there

e5ad7e79-6a19-4296-992e-3c203b20b17d-1
00:31:34.296 --> 00:31:37.237
looking for good books to read or good
movies to watch,

e5ad7e79-6a19-4296-992e-3c203b20b17d-2
00:31:37.237 --> 00:31:38.760
you're not going to find out.

5e409635-e1ec-4623-a2f5-7a52d157f149-0
00:31:38.760 --> 00:31:41.696
You're just going to get a lot of five
star reviews for mediocre work

5e409635-e1ec-4623-a2f5-7a52d157f149-1
00:31:41.696 --> 00:31:42.200
essentially.

5e21ae1c-4329-438b-8bdc-ca38598efd40-0
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:44.280
But I guess reviews then are meaningless.

23c251d1-7cc1-4c4f-bb35-ced2c44e69a4-0
00:31:44.280 --> 00:31:48.361
But if you follow a particular reviewer
whose taste you share and they're they're

23c251d1-7cc1-4c4f-bb35-ced2c44e69a4-1
00:31:48.361 --> 00:31:52.442
giving meaningful reviews about whether I
liked it or really liked it or whatever

23c251d1-7cc1-4c4f-bb35-ced2c44e69a4-2
00:31:52.442 --> 00:31:53.039
it might be.

79d29475-af29-47d8-8308-5558d3087de6-0
00:31:53.040 --> 00:31:55.882
And they and they're also elaborating on
the reasons,

79d29475-af29-47d8-8308-5558d3087de6-1
00:31:55.882 --> 00:31:58.040
then it starts to become more meaningful.

9ee92ed2-2fe8-4827-a3fe-ea11879cf198-0
00:31:58.040 --> 00:32:00.816
Like you were saying,
I'm not going to waste my time reading a

9ee92ed2-2fe8-4827-a3fe-ea11879cf198-1
00:32:00.816 --> 00:32:02.800
book that no one has even recommended to
me.

6374c3f3-36b8-47ce-bed5-39be79530e20-0
00:32:02.800 --> 00:32:04.440
It's just nothing and I'm taking a risk.

f5118754-44bf-4fe6-b114-75bc7e6d6abd-0
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.216
But if you know that the people whose
opinion you trust,

f5118754-44bf-4fe6-b114-75bc7e6d6abd-1
00:32:08.216 --> 00:32:12.668
whether that be online reviewers or
whether that be people at your book club

f5118754-44bf-4fe6-b114-75bc7e6d6abd-2
00:32:12.668 --> 00:32:17.295
or people in your personal network, mum,
sister, friends, whatever it might be,

f5118754-44bf-4fe6-b114-75bc7e6d6abd-3
00:32:17.295 --> 00:32:20.360
then that is more meaningful than just
this generic.

895a1c75-8e18-40b8-8380-3bf14daa851e-0
00:32:20.360 --> 00:32:23.280
Whether it's five stars, 4 stars,
like I'm not sure that means anything.

078163e6-5e81-44bd-80c8-7818b8a65879-0
00:32:23.280 --> 00:32:27.663
Although having said that,
I find Rotten Tomato reviews like pretty,

078163e6-5e81-44bd-80c8-7818b8a65879-1
00:32:27.663 --> 00:32:28.680
pretty accurate.

ede795d0-f8f4-43c8-a0f4-43186932f1e8-0
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.986
And you know,
if something's got a pretty high review

ede795d0-f8f4-43c8-a0f4-43186932f1e8-1
00:32:30.986 --> 00:32:33.720
on Rotten Tomatoes, I'm like,
this is going to be entertaining.

89437d9e-7f16-4474-b61e-0c64b9811043-0
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.309
Yeah,
I look and I think going back to what you

89437d9e-7f16-4474-b61e-0c64b9811043-1
00:32:36.309 --> 00:32:38.638
just said before,
that's the trick that I learnt from

89437d9e-7f16-4474-b61e-0c64b9811043-2
00:32:38.638 --> 00:32:40.319
Goodreads and also Letterboxed as well.

40c42171-dd59-43b9-83ea-025d420a0980-0
00:32:40.320 --> 00:32:40.960
I do the same thing.

368fa7c0-7641-4487-a717-18368c4edd5c-0
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.084
There is,
if I watch a movie and I love it,

368fa7c0-7641-4487-a717-18368c4edd5c-1
00:32:43.084 --> 00:32:46.560
then I go and look at the other reviews
on that movie or, or that book.

2728ce83-15e3-4b72-92eb-e229effe429d-0
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:51.099
And if I see a review that I like that
kind of expresses similar thoughts that I

2728ce83-15e3-4b72-92eb-e229effe429d-1
00:32:51.099 --> 00:32:53.427
had,
then I might follow that person and say,

2728ce83-15e3-4b72-92eb-e229effe429d-2
00:32:53.427 --> 00:32:55.653
well,
what else have they read that I might

2728ce83-15e3-4b72-92eb-e229effe429d-3
00:32:55.653 --> 00:32:56.159
also like?

34bf6985-e97f-4afa-a8bf-14641617115b-0
00:32:56.760 --> 00:32:59.833
And then you follow a whole bunch of
people and you get to know their

34bf6985-e97f-4afa-a8bf-14641617115b-1
00:32:59.833 --> 00:33:00.360
preferences.

64d8fad3-01f4-4227-8054-c77b3cc5c0a9-0
00:33:00.360 --> 00:33:04.120
And then you use that to help guide what
you want to read or watch next.

f307f9e1-bcbe-4a46-89d9-10589b2898d3-0
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:05.840
But is it a bean soup thing too?

19c9eaeb-5b3e-4880-9fad-58ee65ccd1d6-0
00:33:05.840 --> 00:33:08.894
Like if you don't like something,
and this is like,

19c9eaeb-5b3e-4880-9fad-58ee65ccd1d6-1
00:33:08.894 --> 00:33:11.479
I say this as a friend of multiple
authors,

19c9eaeb-5b3e-4880-9fad-58ee65ccd1d6-2
00:33:11.479 --> 00:33:14.945
whether they be traditionally published
or self published,

19c9eaeb-5b3e-4880-9fad-58ee65ccd1d6-3
00:33:14.945 --> 00:33:19.645
some get more wrapped up than others in
the reviews and take them personally or

19c9eaeb-5b3e-4880-9fad-58ee65ccd1d6-4
00:33:19.645 --> 00:33:19.880
not.

f7acc5a9-31b9-4467-b03e-08d7f1c6b955-0
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.523
But for the ones who do,
it's like how helpful is it to leave a

f7acc5a9-31b9-4467-b03e-08d7f1c6b955-1
00:33:23.523 --> 00:33:27.320
****** review on something for which you
were not the target demographic?

d84c1d45-4666-47e1-8d06-c1adfc7f00a7-0
00:33:27.320 --> 00:33:28.840
I'm not sure how helpful that is.

1136f841-ab34-445a-8ab6-f4379de9ea8e-0
00:33:28.840 --> 00:33:32.754
Like in a situation like yours where
you're reviewing everything and you've

1136f841-ab34-445a-8ab6-f4379de9ea8e-1
00:33:32.754 --> 00:33:36.720
got followers who are following what you
like because that's what they like.

c68c877e-f1c0-49fa-939e-e57e563f6f29-0
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.849
And, and then that's a meaningful review,
but you're almost just not giving that

c68c877e-f1c0-49fa-939e-e57e563f6f29-1
00:33:40.849 --> 00:33:41.920
person a chance then.

f0d14f45-0e54-4a43-9183-fc3dfb0db119-0
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:43.360
And I think that's what it feels like.

f79e1ecc-cbd3-4818-965b-c3709a6b9144-0
00:33:43.360 --> 00:33:46.197
It's like if you give someone A2 star
review,

f79e1ecc-cbd3-4818-965b-c3709a6b9144-1
00:33:46.197 --> 00:33:51.069
then they don't have a chance with anyone
in your orbit who who cares what you

f79e1ecc-cbd3-4818-965b-c3709a6b9144-2
00:33:51.069 --> 00:33:51.440
think?

132658e3-95da-4910-a976-5be023e9678f-0
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:53.000
Because that's pretty bad.

a4086a0e-59ee-4c8b-8f47-21c51ed3b789-0
00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:54.680
And it's like, well, why?

8d79bbc0-c131-46ac-b3a7-d4220743c4c8-0
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.160
Like who does that serve?

d6671e18-16a6-4ad4-8ee0-734112279068-0
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:56.960
They It's not.

81760ee4-3777-4330-a9cc-e2226ded90fa-0
00:33:57.280 --> 00:34:00.720
We talk about wasting time,
but when is it ever really wasting time

81760ee4-3777-4330-a9cc-e2226ded90fa-1
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:01.480
to consume art?

52b800c7-f9f5-41e1-88d4-1119835c6bd1-0
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.503
Even if you don't like it,
you're still learning what you like and

52b800c7-f9f5-41e1-88d4-1119835c6bd1-1
00:34:04.503 --> 00:34:05.000
don't like.

ea82b581-4cfd-4db3-b055-90fca364f092-0
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:10.139
You're still engaging with other human
beings and thoughts and feelings in a way

ea82b581-4cfd-4db3-b055-90fca364f092-1
00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:12.360
that I don't know is an experience.

92951b41-8955-49cf-851f-e8ba98401937-0
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.335
Whether it's like, oh wow,
this is an enjoyable,

92951b41-8955-49cf-851f-e8ba98401937-1
00:34:14.335 --> 00:34:17.440
thought provoking experience or whether
it's just like, yeah, that was fine.

50843aeb-5ae3-47c0-9999-44a19d60c3bd-0
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:18.920
Like that's just life, right?

359d4eec-9164-4d8c-be2d-923ec059039c-0
00:34:19.120 --> 00:34:22.332
And if everything is always amazing all
the time,

359d4eec-9164-4d8c-be2d-923ec059039c-1
00:34:22.332 --> 00:34:25.160
then you have no frame of reference
either.

90b70864-a962-465d-94da-0b3e1fea10ea-0
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.665
So it's like,
probably good to consume a little bit of

90b70864-a962-465d-94da-0b3e1fea10ea-1
00:34:27.665 --> 00:34:29.200
**** art every now and then as well.

3c9bc626-090b-4f16-b84a-1b79c22a5b68-0
00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:29.440
Yeah.

a7b4caf2-579f-4d0e-b4e1-b7f2971266e9-0
00:34:29.520 --> 00:34:29.640
That.

2bde9db4-1f29-4d82-8bd7-712c59f2294b-0
00:34:29.640 --> 00:34:30.200
That's true.

9add2319-dbfb-472a-818a-eaa578492747-0
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.200
Or, or art that you think is ****.

c6372f52-6111-456c-8541-02208c2d9836-0
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:33.040
You know, Yeah.

530fb68e-365b-4823-854f-3b40645da20c-0
00:34:33.080 --> 00:34:36.259
I think it's always worth kind of
broadening your horizons and trying new

530fb68e-365b-4823-854f-3b40645da20c-1
00:34:36.259 --> 00:34:36.560
things.

8cb98cf3-8cc9-4e70-9447-67cfd6fd8918-0
00:34:36.720 --> 00:34:37.040
Yeah.

6454691e-6054-481c-a034-d78633bda13c-0
00:34:37.240 --> 00:34:38.800
Like, should we just get rid of it?

67d47e68-2ce5-4b85-a89f-ff6e26200c82-0
00:34:39.160 --> 00:34:43.985
Just get rid of review systems and just
engage with stuff because that's what

67d47e68-2ce5-4b85-a89f-ff6e26200c82-1
00:34:43.985 --> 00:34:44.480
life is.

18333cf3-f139-47a8-b419-acbd52d0d784-0
00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:46.120
I don't know much to ask.

07864940-b015-47ca-ad0c-47720cfc22bb-0
00:34:46.560 --> 00:34:48.880
It is a bit because we've got limited
time as well, right?

3b824f9d-7bc7-4b9b-8ba8-c1114173270a-0
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.400
Like you can't watch and read everything.

79f297cf-6f1f-4e2a-8d25-1b66e5dee318-0
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.040
You've got to choose and you've got to
have a way of choosing.

de632f9f-2051-4875-a0d8-4bdc2fddc3f7-0
00:34:54.040 --> 00:34:55.000
It's pretty reliable.

60ba6b7b-cf9c-4408-b859-7ce1fb68e2f8-0
00:34:55.160 --> 00:35:00.149
But yeah, I think my, you know,
takeaway summary of this is it's valuable

60ba6b7b-cf9c-4408-b859-7ce1fb68e2f8-1
00:35:00.149 --> 00:35:04.600
depending on the size of one person's
voice against other voices.

8c16e7ff-66ad-4cdb-94c5-b4da1200a329-0
00:35:04.600 --> 00:35:08.000
So like the more reviews there are,
generally the more accurate it is.

cbaa161e-a131-4b66-8abd-754a3da971df-0
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.137
But I think with smaller works like small
books, independent movies,

cbaa161e-a131-4b66-8abd-754a3da971df-1
00:35:12.137 --> 00:35:16.264
people should err on the side of being
positive about them because they need

cbaa161e-a131-4b66-8abd-754a3da971df-2
00:35:16.264 --> 00:35:16.800
promotion.

26ca1e6c-df51-4269-a9e5-ec51559b04a0-0
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.120
Yeah #1 sorry.

9dda833e-d2ab-423c-903e-c3ff97c235f9-0
00:35:18.120 --> 00:35:21.480
You're like some independent little self
published author.

449e23da-a99f-401b-be4d-c0780019f62a-0
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.000
You don't need some other **** **** by
the way.

23c5c231-8317-4d65-ab66-66ca86fe85bb-0
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.836
Like you're * **** **** who's self
publishing and you've got some other ****

23c5c231-8317-4d65-ab66-66ca86fe85bb-1
00:35:28.836 --> 00:35:32.821
**** who's coming in like I'm actually an
intellectual and this did not meet my

23c5c231-8317-4d65-ab66-66ca86fe85bb-2
00:35:32.821 --> 00:35:33.320
standards.

eb142cb5-7493-471e-b693-f61d333845e9-0
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.840
Like, well, ******* write your own book,
you know what I mean?

9a930503-dd69-4212-ba64-229264130216-0
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.360
Just just scroll on.

bffedf48-b7ec-420b-b56f-dc10f1ad1f63-0
00:35:37.640 --> 00:35:38.400
Just scroll on.

560808ac-a269-47c8-908f-f4383ac970ef-0
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.578
If you're not going to be supportive of
independent people who are busting their

560808ac-a269-47c8-908f-f4383ac970ef-1
00:35:42.578 --> 00:35:45.880
***** just to create art in an
environment where that is almost

560808ac-a269-47c8-908f-f4383ac970ef-2
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:47.480
impossible to do, I don't know.

bf761f31-1239-4544-ac39-f248d301eae5-0
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.840
I'm all for the five star in that context.

a02980fb-6eca-4598-8393-7ac0978d807d-0
00:35:50.040 --> 00:35:52.600
Like just the more five star something
has,

a02980fb-6eca-4598-8393-7ac0978d807d-1
00:35:52.600 --> 00:35:55.800
the more groundswell of support it has is
what that's.

0d098421-d8e0-475e-9b6b-f9c01d3abbcd-0
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:57.320
And I think that's different, right?

9069f7b5-c609-47e5-aa7b-35aac18655eb-0
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.880
That's about finding an audience and
that's about visible.

2565455e-1b9b-4676-922b-197ac901bb62-0
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:00.320
Yeah.

903be29d-9d3a-4928-81e1-fa4edeb9dc63-0
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.550
Whereas if it's like the latest
blockbuster movie or like fully hyped

903be29d-9d3a-4928-81e1-fa4edeb9dc63-1
00:36:03.550 --> 00:36:04.280
book, who cares?

2ce9c112-6d51-4e1e-adf0-5726efa19fa0-0
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.720
Like give it one star,
tell people what it's actually like.

8d9506f9-b5eb-4164-8098-e12bba75f85e-0
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.050
Yeah,
it's different because it doesn't matter

8d9506f9-b5eb-4164-8098-e12bba75f85e-1
00:36:09.050 --> 00:36:12.436
because at that point it's reached a
broad audience and it's gonna have

8d9506f9-b5eb-4164-8098-e12bba75f85e-2
00:36:12.436 --> 00:36:13.800
everything from zero to five.

fcd9bdf0-7847-4456-a492-377305d462a8-0
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.400
And then once there's never the case that
everyone's gonna love something.

156154f4-8b6a-492e-8c7f-cdbce80c6a28-0
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:18.080
Absolutely.

d0033b7a-fc67-4425-96ae-748e487a96bc-0
00:36:18.080 --> 00:36:19.480
And it's not harming anyone.

e508c49b-bd6f-464f-9ffd-9ee7413ed6c3-0
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.679
And I think, you know,
if you have the opportunity,

e508c49b-bd6f-464f-9ffd-9ee7413ed6c3-1
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.632
like someone's given you an ARC copy of a
book,

e508c49b-bd6f-464f-9ffd-9ee7413ed6c3-2
00:36:25.632 --> 00:36:28.585
like an advanced reader copy of a book to
read,

e508c49b-bd6f-464f-9ffd-9ee7413ed6c3-3
00:36:28.585 --> 00:36:32.523
pretty much either just give it 5 or
maybe 4 with some caveats,

e508c49b-bd6f-464f-9ffd-9ee7413ed6c3-4
00:36:32.523 --> 00:36:33.999
or just don't review it.

65c1d8d8-3892-4ba2-81f6-f25e7dd132f2-0
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:39.465
Like I just don't know that your opinion
matters enough to harm someone else's

65c1d8d8-3892-4ba2-81f6-f25e7dd132f2-1
00:36:39.465 --> 00:36:41.680
chance at finding their readers.

70a53339-1f38-4109-8a41-453b26d6d442-0
00:36:41.680 --> 00:36:44.182
So I guess we've come full circle here
because yes,

70a53339-1f38-4109-8a41-453b26d6d442-1
00:36:44.182 --> 00:36:46.733
we're saying these ratings are
meaningless in a way,

70a53339-1f38-4109-8a41-453b26d6d442-2
00:36:46.733 --> 00:36:48.899
which is kind of like, well,
that's a shame,

70a53339-1f38-4109-8a41-453b26d6d442-3
00:36:48.899 --> 00:36:50.680
but there's two things going on here.

69bb94f9-b608-4b23-b590-ff34373ad98b-0
00:36:50.680 --> 00:36:55.517
There's one where it's meaningful ratings
of popular things and you can follow and

69bb94f9-b608-4b23-b590-ff34373ad98b-1
00:36:55.517 --> 00:36:59.480
only spend time on stuff that is valuable
to you, and that's great.

410e2642-fe45-4bf3-9c60-66e7729db4c6-0
00:36:59.680 --> 00:37:03.324
And then there's this other world where
there's independents who are just looking

410e2642-fe45-4bf3-9c60-66e7729db4c6-1
00:37:03.324 --> 00:37:04.880
for support to find their audience.

57d2c2ab-9be0-474f-8cfd-d4f0c2f17abd-0
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:06.800
And you might not be their audience.

f2d87d54-e47b-4578-8f47-405c2400e226-0
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:08.702
Yeah,
but why would you get in the way of them

f2d87d54-e47b-4578-8f47-405c2400e226-1
00:37:08.702 --> 00:37:11.200
finding the people who do like what
they're putting out there?

f88cb821-675d-4cd0-890a-7e7d4b89587e-0
00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:14.261
Like,
why would you harm their chances of

f88cb821-675d-4cd0-890a-7e7d4b89587e-1
00:37:14.261 --> 00:37:15.720
finding their niche?

c24f3ab1-c527-4bdb-bc21-6fd0fc0fd7a5-0
00:37:15.720 --> 00:37:16.320
I don't know.

579e24b0-9209-4dce-a5a4-b2896947c962-0
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:17.640
It feels cruel.

5422bc24-38f5-4046-883f-88b3e9cdfbcf-0
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:18.520
Yeah, I agree.

8063b574-0a50-48bb-9292-79e512144da5-0
00:37:18.520 --> 00:37:22.400
And there's no easy answer, unfortunately,
because everyone's opinion is different.

391b85c5-7f0e-4c0f-994f-cae79e0939b4-0
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.688
I'm often frustrated by the reviews I see
on Letterbox and on Goodreads for things

391b85c5-7f0e-4c0f-994f-cae79e0939b4-1
00:37:26.688 --> 00:37:27.360
that I enjoy.

de0e6204-207b-44ae-bb65-b82d43b5aebe-0
00:37:27.520 --> 00:37:30.800
And people are just like this is boring,
this is pretentious.

04e2e972-2280-42df-a2cb-574dbeff62d2-0
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.760
And this like some of our Get Wrecked
segments a bit a little bit.

91455813-1196-469c-9b8d-24c19f31d239-0
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.060
But like, OK,
so we both recently watched Wuthering

91455813-1196-469c-9b8d-24c19f31d239-1
00:37:39.060 --> 00:37:41.760
Heights, for example,
and I thought that was great.

87f99a44-6465-4f5d-a044-7304b2b3a977-0
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.520
And it wasn't the book.

fcef5afc-70d6-433c-88b9-9c20ff636840-0
00:37:43.520 --> 00:37:44.480
It was something different.

c5096b8c-e4fa-469a-a86f-4dd569af7c72-0
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.040
And I thought what it did was great.

c5a3ce56-393d-4340-b7d7-68e2a488af82-0
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.478
And then you go on Letterboxed and it's
absolutely panned by everyone and

c5a3ce56-393d-4340-b7d7-68e2a488af82-1
00:37:50.478 --> 00:37:54.530
everyone is trying their best to come up
with like their own little snarky

c5a3ce56-393d-4340-b7d7-68e2a488af82-2
00:37:54.530 --> 00:37:57.880
comments that kind of get some traction
and a bunch of likes.

bc14384a-e64b-4248-83a7-8fd2da74d4dd-0
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.800
So that's like a problem with the with
the platform.

ba8dd4df-2cac-44bd-925a-bb3589250cf4-0
00:38:01.080 --> 00:38:03.786
But if you go on there and you're like,
should I watch this movie,

ba8dd4df-2cac-44bd-925a-bb3589250cf4-1
00:38:03.786 --> 00:38:06.855
you're probably not going to get a good
idea of whether it's worth watching

ba8dd4df-2cac-44bd-925a-bb3589250cf4-2
00:38:06.855 --> 00:38:09.359
because they're all just piling onto this
kind of groupthink.

c034651b-89f5-469a-9d22-0137dcc2c561-0
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.360
And like, that's a problem with reviews.

ca3bc35c-3f0e-435e-8cfc-821344afd954-0
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:12.360
Like, you can't fix it.

27a87b51-c2a5-46a2-b0c1-a03108fb9411-0
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:12.680
Yeah.

02b12c1a-7ee3-44cc-953b-4ab1de5b0fb1-0
00:38:12.680 --> 00:38:15.010
I mean, I,
I really enjoyed the Watering Heights

02b12c1a-7ee3-44cc-953b-4ab1de5b0fb1-1
00:38:15.010 --> 00:38:16.200
even though it was trash.

1c3d4cab-1120-4d74-a8c2-eb2d8af5a0cd-0
00:38:16.200 --> 00:38:18.400
Like hello, trash is great.

53f794a6-fbbe-4e4a-9c19-2bd4407efd38-0
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:19.360
******* love trash.

01fdc305-3f1d-4758-a9e5-9b7ab2ef596e-0
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:20.440
That is what Wuthering trash.

0fe6f939-4f72-4fa1-bc25-86a6d75f97a6-0
00:38:20.680 --> 00:38:22.520
No, but I say that with love.

b6ca999a-bb34-4af5-8813-9f566dda3cb5-0
00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:23.720
I love trash.

52a2e9f0-f30f-489b-ad22-ac645270a373-0
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:25.200
I love it so much.

7fcf245c-7053-489e-949a-b809879c3574-0
00:38:25.200 --> 00:38:25.640
You know, you.

e3b161e4-e018-4bb9-bf6f-87db58098fde-0
00:38:26.120 --> 00:38:28.480
This is the one who loves neighbours.

a261c5be-6526-4f48-ba82-ec7a26b7abf4-0
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:30.760
And I don't just love it because it's
trash.

5313ba87-3fcb-418e-99ad-81af2407d0b4-0
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.880
I actually see value in it.

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00:38:33.080 --> 00:38:34.760
It's feeding my soul.

53e447e7-79e5-4a4a-834e-3c0d7da170a0-0
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.062
Wuthering Heights,
when it was first written was trash said

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00:38:38.062 --> 00:38:38.520
with love.

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00:38:38.640 --> 00:38:40.520
Like, it's just drama.

2dfdb5dd-44d1-426c-b801-acbeaa2887ef-0
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.920
It's full on,
and it's all about just being shocking.

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00:38:45.120 --> 00:38:45.960
Yeah, great.

d382d330-1835-4839-923a-23f11b47d67d-0
00:38:46.120 --> 00:38:47.800
And like, where's the problem?

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00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:48.240
I don't know.

ce041b1d-fe2f-4a8d-95b4-f69bb1f0ac6e-0
00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:49.880
You don't have to be intellectual.

6cdcb566-8860-4d8d-9b46-80347dfa67ad-0
00:38:50.200 --> 00:38:52.309
You know,
some classic novels are kind of more

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00:38:52.309 --> 00:38:53.880
thought provoking and intellectual.

802b12f6-2c5c-426f-8f0b-6b1779bdd68e-0
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.720
This one is just a bunch of fun and
entertainment.

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00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.897
And so to bring it up to a modern
standard where it's still just fun and

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00:38:59.897 --> 00:39:01.280
entertaining, Like, ******* yeah.

68347c14-d09c-4689-b7b1-2b5f35fb68f7-0
00:39:01.600 --> 00:39:05.187
Look, I like when things are challenged,
and I like when we get something new and

68347c14-d09c-4689-b7b1-2b5f35fb68f7-1
00:39:05.187 --> 00:39:07.200
something different and something
surprising.

01b6c5c0-abd4-4715-827d-f953af1aea46-0
00:39:07.200 --> 00:39:09.080
And I thought that movie was all of those
things.

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00:39:09.080 --> 00:39:11.162
And you can, like,
nitpick and say it wasn't this and this

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00:39:11.162 --> 00:39:11.480
and this.

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00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.240
I don't think it was trying to be that.

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00:39:13.240 --> 00:39:14.400
It wasn't trying to be the book.

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00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.800
It wasn't trying to portray things
exactly how they're written.

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00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:20.080
It was trying to do something else,
and it did something else.

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00:39:20.080 --> 00:39:21.760
And, like, what it did was good.

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00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:24.200
And how many stars, though?

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00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:25.440
I'll have to check what I gave it.

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00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.440
It was the three 3 1/2 or 4 stars,
I can't remember because.

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00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:28.600
Yeah.

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00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.702
Well, for funsies, I mean,
we do have our previous episode,

51783543-ff2f-4e9c-9016-ceca9c2d599f-1
00:39:31.702 --> 00:39:34.160
More Mores,
where we talked about Wuthering Heights.

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00:39:34.160 --> 00:39:36.160
That was my recommendation to you,
the novel.

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00:39:36.640 --> 00:39:41.320
We also recorded a Patreon episode all
about my experience of Wuthering Heights.

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00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:42.920
I was actually recommending it to you.

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00:39:43.040 --> 00:39:43.320
Yes.

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00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:44.480
Because I knew you'd love it.

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00:39:44.520 --> 00:39:44.760
Yeah.

0d02f47f-9240-4329-9bba-212b8906bdfa-0
00:39:45.120 --> 00:39:49.000
And that episode is tantalisingly titled
Cadbury Cream Egg.

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00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:51.640
We're just coming out of Easter now.

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00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:53.640
Yeah, just coming out of Easter.

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00:39:55.120 --> 00:39:57.120
All right, It's Poe time, *******.

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00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.280
You ready for some Poe?

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00:40:00.080 --> 00:40:01.360
I wasn't, but now I am.

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00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:03.680
I've been frightened into a state of play.

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00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.880
All I can do is think of my single effect
right there.

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00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:09.160
What if I choked to death?

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00:40:09.160 --> 00:40:10.080
I would die happy.

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00:40:10.080 --> 00:40:11.560
I nearly choked on a lolly.

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00:40:12.120 --> 00:40:12.760
It was a lolly.

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00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:14.040
That was the shape of lips.

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00:40:14.120 --> 00:40:14.400
OK.

0754c9d1-61a3-41d6-a56f-f2ff5194b3e9-0
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:18.760
If I choked to death on that when you
were like, it's Poe *******.

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00:40:19.520 --> 00:40:20.120
Want to go?

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00:40:20.120 --> 00:40:20.520
I would.

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00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:21.800
It's very ironic.

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00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:22.240
I love it.

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00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:23.120
OK.

d904ea73-600a-4f47-8a17-2586da07c849-0
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.361
Each episode,
Amanda and I take turns recommending each

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00:40:26.361 --> 00:40:29.800
other books or movies that we may not
have chosen for ourselves.

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00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.200
It's a segment we call Get Wrecked.

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00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.997
And look,
I say each episode at this point in

2e9e81ba-2b74-4ba8-8828-6adf073c8940-1
00:40:35.997 --> 00:40:38.440
massive quotes, each regular episode.

4b6168fc-bd0e-4be7-b4da-2d60ac36fa4a-0
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.400
And it's been a while,
we've been really backed up.

bcb074f6-b200-4aca-b127-2d07d4d21dfe-0
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:45.520
We've been backed up when we say so much
flesh, when we say regular.

c853e4a6-2ad9-4054-bb20-90996e5a1e6e-0
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:49.360
Like at this point there's some Metamucil
meaning to be involved.

5d566408-0f47-471c-8f4c-8d16c96b9e9a-0
00:40:49.640 --> 00:40:53.440
But for the purposes of this episode,
you've recommended Poe.

71fdd2b3-bd49-4e93-b20c-51bb5159f4b4-0
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:55.040
So you say books, movies.

d12f7707-1792-4859-9a3f-2008b8fd03ff-0
00:40:55.040 --> 00:41:00.520
This is just short stories, poems, essays,
the complete works thereof.

1dee96c6-8004-453c-a6d4-25a482e39458-0
00:41:00.520 --> 00:41:04.002
So it's a little bit different to our
normal recommendations of being a

1dee96c6-8004-453c-a6d4-25a482e39458-1
00:41:04.002 --> 00:41:04.680
discrete work.

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00:41:04.680 --> 00:41:09.022
This is kind of an author,
Edgar Allan Poe and his entire catalogue

c9300bb1-a25e-4ca2-81d8-410944555605-1
00:41:09.022 --> 00:41:11.640
of works, which is a lot, which is a lot.

d897aa4e-f875-4199-9aca-3054d264fe3a-0
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.423
So we've actually got an article up on
the website called Reading Rex for

d897aa4e-f875-4199-9aca-3054d264fe3a-1
00:41:15.423 --> 00:41:17.829
Perverts,
and you can find that via the menu on the

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00:41:17.829 --> 00:41:18.200
website.

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00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:21.920
And that's the reading list demand that
you put together with some help from DID.

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00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.960
Yes,
some help from Chris Semptner from the

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00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:25.720
Poe Museum.

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00:41:26.080 --> 00:41:30.295
And I reached out to him and asked, well,
like, there's a lot of Poe,

dd48f532-2b7d-4784-9a1e-1a6953e5b057-1
00:41:30.295 --> 00:41:31.560
so where do we start?

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00:41:31.560 --> 00:41:34.080
And he gave us some really great
recommendations.

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00:41:34.080 --> 00:41:37.880
And even though it's been since October
last year, I still haven't read them all.

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00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.200
There's just so much to enjoy.

74d2eeb1-0f18-45de-9e4a-fdedcc0d7946-0
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.680
We've both probably read most of them,
or at least I think between us.

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00:41:42.720 --> 00:41:44.960
But Oh my God, like it opened my eyes.

5a9abc6a-1c7a-44ef-8da9-e915648d1ddf-0
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:48.116
I've been banging on about Poe for years
now,

5a9abc6a-1c7a-44ef-8da9-e915648d1ddf-1
00:41:48.116 --> 00:41:52.440
having only just scraped the surface of
what his talents were.

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00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:54.400
And now my eyes are open.

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00:41:54.600 --> 00:41:55.960
I love him even more.

cb2aeca9-d8eb-41cf-9074-4b2b235d07b6-0
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.853
So I'm really,
really excited to get into some of his

cb2aeca9-d8eb-41cf-9074-4b2b235d07b6-1
00:41:58.853 --> 00:42:03.140
other stories that maybe are lesser known,
probably still very well known among

cb2aeca9-d8eb-41cf-9074-4b2b235d07b6-2
00:42:03.140 --> 00:42:04.480
those who appreciate him.

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00:42:04.600 --> 00:42:06.400
So maybe let's start with a bit of
background.

bb452562-63ec-4d97-8927-643fef0edefc-0
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:10.503
We'll talk about Single effect and then
we will get into the stories that we've

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00:42:10.503 --> 00:42:10.760
read.

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00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:11.440
Sounds good.

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00:42:11.640 --> 00:42:15.200
So Amanda, tell us,
who was Edgar Allan Poe?

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00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.400
OK, well, I mean, he was a poet.

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00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.245
He was a an author of short stories
mainly,

dc0be079-f5eb-456a-a44c-9f628ed99efd-1
00:42:20.245 --> 00:42:23.480
and also an essayist and literary critic
as well.

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00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:24.840
And very interesting person.

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00:42:25.160 --> 00:42:31.880
He was born in 1809 and he only lived to
1849, so just the tender age of 40.

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00:42:32.160 --> 00:42:34.040
And he was of course American.

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00:42:34.080 --> 00:42:40.201
He's most well known for his Gothic
horror and his exploration of the macabre,

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00:42:40.201 --> 00:42:46.245
but also having delved a little bit into
his other writings to me, sarcastic,

f15deea1-6898-45e0-b177-22d0c13abd73-2
00:42:46.245 --> 00:42:48.880
hilarious, amazing critic as well.

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00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.865
And so we probably know him best for his
poem The Raven and for other works like

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00:42:52.865 --> 00:42:53.800
The Telltale Heart.

2776b7d7-3645-4fbb-883f-4aa41fdfd872-0
00:42:54.120 --> 00:42:58.297
Speaking for myself,
and I know speaking for you as well, Ed,

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00:42:58.297 --> 00:43:03.890
mainly through The Simpsons and our just
in general our pop culture education that

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00:43:03.890 --> 00:43:05.439
came from The Simpsons.

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00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:10.520
I cannot read The Raven without hearing,
you know, Bart and Homer in that.

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00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:11.960
And I love that about it.

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00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:13.840
I think Poe would have appreciated it.

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00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:14.160
Yeah.

a9c5eac8-2434-4f33-90d2-28645857caf8-0
00:43:14.160 --> 00:43:18.914
Well, I think early 19th century, right,
The British had Jane Austen,

a9c5eac8-2434-4f33-90d2-28645857caf8-1
00:43:18.914 --> 00:43:22.107
the Bronte sisters, Charles Dickens,
you know,

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00:43:22.107 --> 00:43:24.960
all of those great authors from that that.

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00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.680
And maybe the Americans were a little bit
lacking.

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00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:33.708
And Poe was like one of those great
figures from that side of the Atlantic,

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00:43:33.708 --> 00:43:34.360
basically.

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00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:37.171
Well,
I think it's really interesting as well

2cc5d3a9-d203-4816-85c4-a80c4b413aec-1
00:43:37.171 --> 00:43:40.771
to think of Charles Dickens and Poe
living at the same time, you know,

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00:43:40.771 --> 00:43:44.320
and they were contemporaries, you know,
they talked about each other.

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00:43:44.680 --> 00:43:48.720
And I think that's kind of fascinating
because in my mind, they're very separate.

d5c8f210-62f8-476c-8059-1488d8fac7b2-0
00:43:48.720 --> 00:43:51.824
You know, we look back at classics,
and to us they're sort of

d5c8f210-62f8-476c-8059-1488d8fac7b2-1
00:43:51.824 --> 00:43:55.080
compartmentalised into their little
worlds of what they give us.

a03ac74e-50f9-4856-b4a7-805382c2b6ad-0
00:43:55.080 --> 00:43:57.960
But actually these people were writing at
the same time.

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00:43:58.240 --> 00:44:01.640
They were influenced by similar political
influences and so on.

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00:44:01.640 --> 00:44:05.641
And Poe was certainly very much
influenced by what was going on in the

4aa71b16-bb75-4c6e-ba0d-e8f30a9908ef-1
00:44:05.641 --> 00:44:06.600
world around him.

5c9b92bc-44b1-43b3-982e-65e3ca447b63-0
00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:10.710
So a lot of what he wrote about was
political satire kind of thing,

5c9b92bc-44b1-43b3-982e-65e3ca447b63-1
00:44:10.710 --> 00:44:14.760
or commentary on what was going on in the
world as he was writing.

625f98f6-88b9-4dc3-adde-1cc08cc877fd-0
00:44:15.240 --> 00:44:16.520
He's fascinating person.

1828ad31-39ef-4dde-8acb-5ce614caadfb-0
00:44:16.520 --> 00:44:19.320
I feel like we would have been great
friends had we met.

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00:44:19.560 --> 00:44:23.867
When I think of Poe as well,
I just think of that meme and it's like,

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00:44:23.867 --> 00:44:24.360
RIP Poe.

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00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.000
You would have loved flash fiction.

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That is how I feel.

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He wrote short stories, of course,
but he was very much fixated on this idea

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of brevity and of, you know,
we'll talk about the single effect,

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but of sort of encapsulating in a single
sitting a feeling in a story.

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And you know,
he tended towards the dark feelings,

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not always,
but that's sort of what he leaned towards.

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That's that was his thing.

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But overall,
just really valuing this idea of how art

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can kind of affect you in a moment.

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And I think you really would have loved
flash fiction, honestly.

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Get into it.

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So before we get into pose short stories,
let's discuss a couple of his nonfiction

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pieces.

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Yeah.

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And what he got first.

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Well,
I guess what I wanted to cover was this

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whole idea of the single effect.

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We talk about a lot in relation to the
competition.

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I know there'd be people coming in who
haven't heard us talk about it,

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who were like,
what the hell are you talking about?

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This idea of the single effect,
and it's something I guess I came across

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separately to Poe.

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I know Poe through the Raven and the Tell
Tale Heart.

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I didn't know much more about him,
to be honest,

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but he has this whole theory about
basically very short fiction that I think

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is very,
very relevant to flash fiction writing

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and competitions in particular.

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I think it's really illuminating and
helpful to think about.

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Like,
it's not like this overarching rule that

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you can't ever violate,
but it is a really helpful way to think

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about things when you're writing a piece
of flash fiction,

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especially when you know you're in a
competition setting.

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You've got ideas bouncing around.

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It's like, which idea do I choose?

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Which path do I go down?

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And basically Poe's advice was think
about the effect you want to create on

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the reader, the emotional effect,
and make everything point to that.

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And my vibe based on these couple of
recommended pieces of reading from Chris

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from the Poe Museum,
is that Poe was a very much a plotter.

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He liked to think things through in
advance.

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And as a result,
he sort of was aiming towards very

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specific effects.

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I think you can do the same thing in an
edit as well.

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I think there's a few things to learn.

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And when I'm reading them as a judge of a
flash fiction competition,

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it's resonating with me.

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I'm like, yes, this makes perfect sense.

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This is a really good strategy.

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So I guess that's why I want to share it.

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I, I really feel like it's effective.

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He was also, you know,
reading these little pieces,

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these little non fiction pieces.

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He seemed like a,
a short fiction writer in a world of

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novelists.

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Like, that was his context,
but not that he was against that.

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But really his focus was on being a piece
that you could sit down that would kind

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of consume you in one sitting and that
you had the opportunity to put forward,

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like this single effect and this emotion
that you're trying to make the reader

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feel.

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And if you pick it up and you have to put
it down and go do something else and pick

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it back up and I don't want a part of it
kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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Well,
I think he was mainly talking about

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poetry in that aspect.

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But nevertheless,
I think he sort of had that feeling in

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general that, you know,
it should be enjoyed in one sitting and

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you should get that effect in one sitting.

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And that's really kind of,
I feel really relevant in the modern day

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when we are just on our phones and
scrolling.

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And I don't know about you,
but I find it really hard to just sit

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with a piece of anything, to be honest,
and read right through it without

8a4c6d9d-abbb-4534-8ec2-22f8ea6d1928-2
00:47:38.528 --> 00:47:43.355
checking my phone or responding to my
child who's asking a question or whatever

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00:47:43.355 --> 00:47:44.079
it might be.

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Just all of a sudden I need to go to the
toilet or I need to go and get something

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00:47:47.581 --> 00:47:47.880
to eat.

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Like I'm just constantly distracted.

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And I think a lot of us feel that way.

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And so Poe was writing short stories 2 to
3000 words plus kind of thing up to 8000

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kind of more.

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And I feel like it's that same thing,
but we'll condense it down again for a

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modern audience who just don't have the
headspace to to focus even for 8000 words.

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You know,
there's something really powerful in

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having just that really short,
sharp impact on someone.

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And that's not to say a novel is
worthless or, you know,

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00:48:18.260 --> 00:48:23.760
a like a TV series that you can't watch
all in one go that it's worthless.

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No, they serve a different purpose.

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But I think it's nice to reflect on what
a very short piece of figure action or

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poetry can do.

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And I think that's what he did.

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I think that a novel can be complex and
the complexity is a strength of a novel.

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Like you can really get in the weeds.

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You can follow multiple plot lines.

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But a short piece has simplicity.

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And I think that's its strength as well.

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Like you can lean into that simplicity,
focus on one thing.

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And I think he's right about that.

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They're, they're different mediums really.

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Like they're,
they're trying to achieve different

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things.

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And when you talk about short fiction or
short film, whatever,

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you're really focusing on one single
thing and one effect and good advice,

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00:49:02.113 --> 00:49:04.800
which is why we keep bringing it up again
and again.

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Yeah,
I guess I'd like to sort of elaborate

18a3d834-f0b9-40c2-a919-fd89565a1e66-1
00:49:07.067 --> 00:49:10.240
what it means exactly for those who are
less familiar with that.

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So I've got this article in front of me,
which is it's actually the review of

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00:49:14.192 --> 00:49:15.560
Nathaniel Hawthorne's work.

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It's called Tale Riding Nathaniel
Hawthorne by Edgar Allan or Edgar A Poe,

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and it's about the body of work by
Nathaniel Hawthorne,

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00:49:23.206 --> 00:49:27.000
which is the author of The Scarlet Letter,
amongst other things.

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So in this piece he's talking about,
I mean, amongst other things,

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because he does have some other things to
say about Nathaniel Hawthorne,

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00:49:33.948 --> 00:49:37.117
about the idea of originality,
which is I think what this article is

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00:49:37.117 --> 00:49:39.000
mostly about is this idea of originality.

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But he goes on to say that basically you
should be by design,

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creating a single effect in your work.

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And when we say single effect,
we mean an emotional impact on the reader.

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And that can be quite specific.

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There's no judgement as to what that
effect might be,

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00:49:54.644 --> 00:49:59.092
that there just has to be 1 basically,
and that it's by design that that is what

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you are trying to achieve.

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You're not kind of dilly dallying and
just saying things for the sake of saying

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00:50:04.271 --> 00:50:04.600
things.

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You are trying to create an effect on
someone.

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And whether you do that,
as Poe might have in a structured and

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00:50:12.427 --> 00:50:15.949
pottery kind of way and planning that all
out fine,

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or whether you write your story and come
back later, analyse it and edit it to fit.

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I think that's something I think about
when I'm writing my own stories.

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What don't I need?

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00:50:27.120 --> 00:50:29.230
You know,
you write the story and then you have to

fdee1157-7bb5-4db9-8a3d-d5716c8b3371-1
00:50:29.230 --> 00:50:29.520
refine.

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00:50:29.520 --> 00:50:32.120
And I think that's the beauty of the 500
word format.

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You've always got too much.

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00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:35.160
What doesn't need to be there?

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00:50:35.160 --> 00:50:40.153
What is not serving this particular story,
even if I find it satisfying to myself,

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00:50:40.153 --> 00:50:42.680
like it's fun or interesting or evocative.

7c444266-bdc2-4ca0-9195-1a43c7209b4e-0
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.422
OK,
but is it evoking the thing I need it to

7c444266-bdc2-4ca0-9195-1a43c7209b4e-1
00:50:45.422 --> 00:50:46.800
evoke or something else?

a11e3c7f-7cc1-44bd-85c7-b4b0ab5de14f-0
00:50:47.080 --> 00:50:49.520
And that's always worth consideration
when you're editing.

d15db4f4-d99d-4f9a-9714-0527a0bcc9bd-0
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.609
So apart from that, I mean,
he's sort of this article only lightly

d15db4f4-d99d-4f9a-9714-0527a0bcc9bd-1
00:50:52.609 --> 00:50:54.320
touches on this idea of the single effect.

895ee885-84f3-4804-87a7-762b355a32c7-0
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.713
It goes into much more detail about
originality,

895ee885-84f3-4804-87a7-762b355a32c7-1
00:50:56.713 --> 00:51:00.280
which I think is also really interesting
when it comes to flash fiction.

5f8b5ece-97e9-4d7a-94a5-55afeaa6184f-0
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.467
I think I don't know about you, Ed,
but like,

5f8b5ece-97e9-4d7a-94a5-55afeaa6184f-1
00:51:02.467 --> 00:51:06.128
I do get a little bit fixated on this
idea of I need to be original or write

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00:51:06.128 --> 00:51:07.080
something different.

a45ea358-6771-47df-94bd-088e2cdc5c2c-0
00:51:07.080 --> 00:51:10.853
And we know those of us who've been in
the game long enough that there is no

a45ea358-6771-47df-94bd-088e2cdc5c2c-1
00:51:10.853 --> 00:51:12.520
such thing as an original thought.

7f22b1d3-7e5b-49c8-9a0d-cde898350bd5-0
00:51:12.520 --> 00:51:17.898
It's all been done, and that's fine,
but trying to find some angle or some

7f22b1d3-7e5b-49c8-9a0d-cde898350bd5-1
00:51:17.898 --> 00:51:20.480
piece of something that feels fresh.

b7a8c8fa-a3d4-4be1-bc22-de58bf55a599-0
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.934
And I guess I just wanted to bring it up
because he does have some interesting

b7a8c8fa-a3d4-4be1-bc22-de58bf55a599-1
00:51:24.934 --> 00:51:26.080
insights in that sense.

1d940a64-d8d4-41e1-a006-893ff287f29b-0
00:51:26.080 --> 00:51:30.560
So he was kind of saying that people were
criticising Nathaniel Hawthorn and saying

1d940a64-d8d4-41e1-a006-893ff287f29b-1
00:51:30.560 --> 00:51:32.000
he's just weird, basically.

b9fda015-bf5a-4b77-8b1a-b3922b261be9-0
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.670
And Poe's comment on that was, yeah,
like being weird is not the same as being

b9fda015-bf5a-4b77-8b1a-b3922b261be9-1
00:51:37.670 --> 00:51:38.280
original.

6015980a-1f97-4994-b379-a3681435a26e-0
00:51:38.560 --> 00:51:41.040
You know, Like,
that gets old pretty fast kind of thing.

c4c1bd10-5bdb-4f5e-b827-a3edcb491b43-0
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:45.373
What he saw as being original is
basically being yourself,

c4c1bd10-5bdb-4f5e-b827-a3edcb491b43-1
00:51:45.373 --> 00:51:47.040
being very much yourself.

f9379247-ed20-45ec-96ca-ecdfd70dbc36-0
00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:50.160
And that's how he described it,
like your imagination.

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00:51:50.160 --> 00:51:51.800
But you're consistent with that.

57621aec-ca05-4c41-b1e3-94879b051161-0
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:56.625
You are always following your imagination
down that path is what he was basically

57621aec-ca05-4c41-b1e3-94879b051161-1
00:51:56.625 --> 00:52:01.040
saying Nathaniel Hawthorne did and what
he found to be his greatest value.

26f4c9d1-2449-4a90-9b0a-1a75fb69bce2-0
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:05.323
And I think that's like a pretty good
piece of advice too, you know, like,

26f4c9d1-2449-4a90-9b0a-1a75fb69bce2-1
00:52:05.323 --> 00:52:09.321
it's not about trying to invent something
out of nothing that's never existed

26f4c9d1-2449-4a90-9b0a-1a75fb69bce2-2
00:52:09.321 --> 00:52:09.680
before.

cc2ebbf3-1c91-48e8-9105-8b6de4a3ce13-0
00:52:09.680 --> 00:52:12.338
I mean,
that might be one person's type of

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00:52:12.338 --> 00:52:13.080
originality.

b2186c4e-36e5-4198-b790-500c16f8ea6f-0
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:18.200
So the goal then, in pose words,
is not to just create something out of

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00:52:18.200 --> 00:52:23.000
nothing, but for the reader to say,
here is a charmingly obvious fancy,

b2186c4e-36e5-4198-b790-500c16f8ea6f-2
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:28.666
or sometimes even here is a thought which
I am not sure has ever occurred to myself,

b2186c4e-36e5-4198-b790-500c16f8ea6f-3
00:52:28.666 --> 00:52:33.000
but which, of course,
has occurred to all the rest of the world.

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00:52:33.560 --> 00:52:36.200
We usually designate it as the natural.

b5faa8fa-65e0-4f15-9968-fdbaf40214af-0
00:52:36.560 --> 00:52:41.150
So basically what he's saying is you want
to create a sense of originality,

b5faa8fa-65e0-4f15-9968-fdbaf40214af-1
00:52:41.150 --> 00:52:42.600
which is everybody goes.

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00:52:42.600 --> 00:52:43.600
I wish I thought of that.

7f7162b2-8137-435d-ad99-36e7d1c2e11b-0
00:52:44.120 --> 00:52:47.240
And isn't that the satisfying feeling
that you get reading something?

0caee166-8732-420f-8596-3523f1dcaa90-0
00:52:47.240 --> 00:52:47.800
It's not.

67d11304-91b8-4948-9062-a1232154b1cf-0
00:52:48.120 --> 00:52:52.000
He's something I never considered and has
never, like, entered my brain.

7a8706c8-f3e6-4fa6-8cc1-bdd14f22d22a-0
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:56.880
But that feeling of completeness of I
nearly thought that but never did.

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00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.560
And that fills in a piece of my human.

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00:52:59.560 --> 00:53:00.480
It's almost obvious.

f8b7e78c-92c6-45df-ad8c-13d69c6e8a77-0
00:53:00.680 --> 00:53:01.400
Yeah.

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00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.400
And I think that's a really nice way of
thinking of it.

5a8b75cd-770f-4bbf-aa64-d8fc975a1b78-0
00:53:03.560 --> 00:53:05.433
I mean,
it's completely intimidating because how

5a8b75cd-770f-4bbf-aa64-d8fc975a1b78-1
00:53:05.433 --> 00:53:06.160
do we achieve that?

96204a8a-8d26-4638-9e1c-5cc54018325c-0
00:53:06.160 --> 00:53:06.840
I don't know.

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00:53:07.200 --> 00:53:12.143
But I do like this idea of just leaning
into what your intuition is telling you

2e06df6c-6a5d-431d-8079-32f51d2f95ef-1
00:53:12.143 --> 00:53:15.233
to do and,
and kind of being your own unique self

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00:53:15.233 --> 00:53:17.520
rather than like maybe original self.

d74b0d85-3ebc-4fd5-95b2-c85a078ec733-0
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.211
I feel like that's something that we do
talk about, you know,

d74b0d85-3ebc-4fd5-95b2-c85a078ec733-1
00:53:21.211 --> 00:53:23.883
in different contexts as well, on,
for example,

d74b0d85-3ebc-4fd5-95b2-c85a078ec733-2
00:53:23.883 --> 00:53:27.613
Daredevil episodes that we do is
following the path that you have,

d74b0d85-3ebc-4fd5-95b2-c85a078ec733-3
00:53:27.613 --> 00:53:32.011
like the story that you've written and
taking that to places where I guess you

d74b0d85-3ebc-4fd5-95b2-c85a078ec733-4
00:53:32.011 --> 00:53:34.850
want to go,
like developing to new and interesting

d74b0d85-3ebc-4fd5-95b2-c85a078ec733-5
00:53:34.850 --> 00:53:35.240
places.

da19955b-7121-41c9-b4b4-75b28d7a3789-0
00:53:35.240 --> 00:53:41.921
Just allowing yourself that permission to
go a little bit crazy in the way that you

da19955b-7121-41c9-b4b4-75b28d7a3789-1
00:53:41.921 --> 00:53:42.240
can.

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00:53:42.240 --> 00:53:42.440
Yeah.

42fd5681-5e7e-445b-b585-2b1b5ca1314c-0
00:53:42.560 --> 00:53:43.720
Like your freak flag.

035da7a1-ba55-43e1-b1a8-b9564340ffa9-0
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:44.400
Yeah.

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00:53:44.560 --> 00:53:45.400
But exactly.

a154ba08-d6ef-466c-9113-71b0d339c585-0
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:49.010
And there's something to be said for that
because I think all of us as writers at

a154ba08-d6ef-466c-9113-71b0d339c585-1
00:53:49.010 --> 00:53:52.400
some time or another have kind of thought,
well, where should this story go?

ea878370-3793-497c-8f03-eef8f7ab564c-0
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.993
Like,
where would it logically go based on all

ea878370-3793-497c-8f03-eef8f7ab564c-1
00:53:54.993 --> 00:53:58.360
the things I've read in the past and
media I've experienced?

e76eb426-bb34-4889-8455-9669352dad04-0
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:04.651
But really just taking it somewhere
unique to you has more of an impact often

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00:54:04.651 --> 00:54:05.680
on the reader.

849e67bf-c55a-4a71-bb07-2c21b738bcbd-0
00:54:05.680 --> 00:54:07.040
Because they weren't going to go there.

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00:54:07.560 --> 00:54:09.040
Yeah, only you could do that.

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00:54:09.040 --> 00:54:13.542
Only you could bring that unique
combination of thoughts and feelings and

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00:54:13.542 --> 00:54:14.760
expressions to bear.

c8322e7d-0f9a-4d19-bff9-bff583572b49-0
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:18.528
If you can also make that,
I guess universal in that way is easily

c8322e7d-0f9a-4d19-bff9-bff583572b49-1
00:54:18.528 --> 00:54:21.760
understandable by people to to the point
where they can go.

b2ebaf53-3609-4275-a144-7fce78ebe13f-0
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.948
Yes, I have, as you say,
almost thought of that,

b2ebaf53-3609-4275-a144-7fce78ebe13f-1
00:54:23.948 --> 00:54:27.120
or perhaps thought of that before,
but you've thrown a new spin on it.

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00:54:27.160 --> 00:54:27.560
Yeah.

5273cd0c-f876-4719-a613-a2e6bf4ede0d-0
00:54:27.560 --> 00:54:29.800
And I think he makes a distinction here
too.

a5c4a840-d626-40a9-b4d2-1844964d10f5-0
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.280
And I have to say Poe is *******
hilarious.

35dd78c4-4699-4523-b8f4-32afec0d795b-0
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:36.456
Like he talks in old timing language,
which which can be quite dense at times,

35dd78c4-4699-4523-b8f4-32afec0d795b-1
00:54:36.456 --> 00:54:39.840
but he is so sarcastic and such a *****
and it is so hilarious.

57deedce-27aa-4771-b7ec-7ce410caa4bb-0
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:41.843
So if you read these and if you've got
that,

57deedce-27aa-4771-b7ec-7ce410caa4bb-1
00:54:41.843 --> 00:54:44.915
if you're a bit of a nerd and you don't
mind unpacking the language,

57deedce-27aa-4771-b7ec-7ce410caa4bb-2
00:54:44.915 --> 00:54:47.720
you will be rewarded because he is
constantly roasting people.

4cf2c222-2fdf-4957-a034-0e97b46e2993-0
00:54:47.720 --> 00:54:51.958
But what he was roasting here about the
critics is kind of basically saying

4cf2c222-2fdf-4957-a034-0e97b46e2993-1
00:54:51.958 --> 00:54:56.476
people think originality or critics and
literary people think originality is one

4cf2c222-2fdf-4957-a034-0e97b46e2993-2
00:54:56.476 --> 00:54:58.874
thing,
which is like testing the bounds of

4cf2c222-2fdf-4957-a034-0e97b46e2993-3
00:54:58.874 --> 00:55:03.058
what's never been done before and what's
acceptable and what's popular and

4cf2c222-2fdf-4957-a034-0e97b46e2993-4
00:55:03.058 --> 00:55:03.560
whatever.

0b30f6fc-1950-49cf-a697-5f24f148d3f4-0
00:55:04.160 --> 00:55:08.193
And that that works for people who are so
jaded and who've seen everything before

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00:55:08.193 --> 00:55:10.800
and who just go, oh, thank God,
something different.

dbfe032c-97a3-421f-89eb-5dca483d71f9-0
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.200
And and that's what they see as
originality.

88fc8a78-0f10-4373-b93b-7eaff9adbeb7-0
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.560
But what he's saying is that popular
opinion is very different.

38696f46-bb3a-4d22-aed9-134f077b1307-0
00:55:16.720 --> 00:55:21.296
And what they see as originality is more
as we've described that I almost thought

38696f46-bb3a-4d22-aed9-134f077b1307-1
00:55:21.296 --> 00:55:25.650
that and didn't like this is you've
expressed something that I've have failed

38696f46-bb3a-4d22-aed9-134f077b1307-2
00:55:25.650 --> 00:55:28.720
to express so far myself,
but which resonates with me.

0502f0cb-5c26-425d-bcd7-4780ed4672cf-0
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:30.800
And I think they are two very different
things.

53b60cbc-a92c-4847-95f6-70b1489c20b1-0
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.088
And in the context of like writing
competitions, for example,

53b60cbc-a92c-4847-95f6-70b1489c20b1-1
00:55:34.088 --> 00:55:37.960
we look at sometimes the peer judged
writing competitions versus others.

e6dbb3af-497d-43e6-9c8d-d107ff9f7a71-0
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:43.470
And my experience personally writing peer
judged competitions is that I write in a

e6dbb3af-497d-43e6-9c8d-d107ff9f7a71-1
00:55:43.470 --> 00:55:47.772
slightly different style to try and
appeal more broadly to not offend,

e6dbb3af-497d-43e6-9c8d-d107ff9f7a71-2
00:55:47.772 --> 00:55:51.166
which is my biggest challenge personally,
But you know,

e6dbb3af-497d-43e6-9c8d-d107ff9f7a71-3
00:55:51.166 --> 00:55:56.014
to kind of capture something more broad
than I might otherwise if I was writing

e6dbb3af-497d-43e6-9c8d-d107ff9f7a71-4
00:55:56.014 --> 00:55:58.560
just for myself or to a specific audience.

98f06c6d-a8f4-4afc-afd2-1322ae11b9af-0
00:55:58.560 --> 00:56:02.812
So I think that's an interesting insight
as well about how popular culture

98f06c6d-a8f4-4afc-afd2-1322ae11b9af-1
00:56:02.812 --> 00:56:03.720
receives things.

8b94a18b-5eba-4db9-9309-7239e42ac80b-0
00:56:04.080 --> 00:56:07.345
But basically saying you're all a bunch
of ******* like, you know,

8b94a18b-5eba-4db9-9309-7239e42ac80b-1
00:56:07.345 --> 00:56:08.320
it's not about that.

3396cf2f-1cc2-453e-9d0a-b5f0b70f18ad-0
00:56:08.520 --> 00:56:09.320
There's more to it.

52f3a9a0-4697-44ec-8839-59d6ff94fa63-0
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:11.320
But you know,
we've veered off topic a bit.

f479c5e3-e898-4677-8515-4ac1e8e3b700-0
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.040
We've we've been talking about
originality.

322966c7-0129-4ca9-8e1c-19d6bef29c20-0
00:56:13.040 --> 00:56:14.000
It's all very fascinating.

8cb85b9c-c987-4a26-8f45-0a0ec0b2d180-0
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:18.080
But I do want to get into a little bit
more detail about this single effect idea.

2e09613f-8a06-46dd-ab79-d9d20c87d8cb-0
00:56:18.080 --> 00:56:22.353
So there was this other article
recommended by Chris from the Poe Museum

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00:56:22.353 --> 00:56:24.520
called The Philosophy of Composition.

5f8ba925-30c4-4ed5-a958-32d74e15de3a-0
00:56:24.520 --> 00:56:25.640
And you read this as well?

aaa93e28-2d4a-4336-8e22-eda30a8ca97f-0
00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:25.920
Yeah.

7f2973e3-270a-4c33-ae19-a74583bdd2b7-0
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:30.152
So this was the one that he wrote about
the Raven or really his thought process

7f2973e3-270a-4c33-ae19-a74583bdd2b7-1
00:56:30.152 --> 00:56:30.840
in The Raven.

637f733f-9f32-42e2-99a7-f4e5d85f24fc-0
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.905
And look,
the I did read the Raven again as part of

637f733f-9f32-42e2-99a7-f4e5d85f24fc-1
00:56:33.905 --> 00:56:34.200
this.

669dc785-a9df-4a1d-ba96-18e4e627e976-0
00:56:34.200 --> 00:56:36.906
It wasn't on the list because I think
everyone's read it,

669dc785-a9df-4a1d-ba96-18e4e627e976-1
00:56:36.906 --> 00:56:38.680
but I also watched it on The Simpsons.

4de9c5e6-372c-49a4-ba46-67a2206b040e-0
00:56:38.680 --> 00:56:39.160
Exactly.

c128743b-02c0-4dea-bd47-fcee77c7d3d6-0
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.200
But I will say it's it's famous for a
reason.

b8c92fdf-6024-4e1d-a9f8-11723b2d1eb5-0
00:56:42.200 --> 00:56:43.000
It's a great poem.

3dc6c2f1-9f00-4011-9b5b-7cddd713b210-0
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.777
And it's probably,
if you're not familiar with it or if you

3dc6c2f1-9f00-4011-9b5b-7cddd713b210-1
00:56:44.777 --> 00:56:46.200
haven't read it for a,
I'll just read it again.

c0d4bbed-d64b-4c17-80b0-18a060a02407-0
00:56:46.240 --> 00:56:47.880
I think it's a, it's a great piece.

21dc76d7-06de-4ab5-85e0-79775fcbe75b-0
00:56:48.560 --> 00:56:51.472
So the philosophy of composition was,
I believe,

21dc76d7-06de-4ab5-85e0-79775fcbe75b-1
00:56:51.472 --> 00:56:56.345
an article that was published by PO kind
of explaining his thought process around

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writing the Raven and how he approached
it.

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And he starts with this idea of beginning
with the ending in mind or the demon more

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as he, as he calls it.

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So writing backwards,
but not writing backwards necessarily

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from the end,
although that is what he described he did

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in the Raven.

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He basically wrote the last line 1st and
then tried to escalate from that

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escalated position,
but also talking about what is the end

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effect that I wanted to achieve.

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And that's where we get into this whole
single effect idea.

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And he's like overthinking it to the
extreme, which again,

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relatable love him to death.

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Like he's talking about the word
Nevermore,

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which is repeated through the Raven,
and how he was thinking about the

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syllables in that and the long O,
and how he could combine both the meaning

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of the word with the sound of the word to
create this kind of melancholy effect.

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And he and he did talk about the,
you know, why he chose that word.

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And it wasn't interesting to read.

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The point of the story is not around that
word and what that word is.

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It was more about the sound and the
history of that word,

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which is interesting.

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But that's inspiration, right?

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Yeah.

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That's where you begin.

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And then you you go back from there.

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And so he was talking about how he went
from this word Nevermore and the idea of

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this character who was trying to get that
answer,

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like this sort of psychological effect of
like,

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I'm going to ask a question that makes
you say nevermore, that makes me feel bad.

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And if you've ever been like,
if you've ever had a breakup or you're

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00:58:19.413 --> 00:58:23.706
feeling a bit depressed and all you want
to do is just press that bruise and make

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it feel worse.

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Like that is what this story is about.

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Like,
I'm going to ask this Raven the thing

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00:58:28.908 --> 00:58:33.138
that when it answers,
inevitably the word Nevermore is going to

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00:58:33.138 --> 00:58:35.320
make me feel as **** as possible.

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And so that's kind of where he went with
it, I think very cleverly.

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But yes,
started with basically what you're

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telling me, Raven,
is that I'm never going to see my love

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again because she's dead.

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And Ravens like, Yep,
like that's where he started and he had

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to work back from there.

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But as it relates to the single effect,
he said, and this was like, again,

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overthink much.

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But he began with considering the idea of
the effect and asking himself.

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And maybe this is a little piece of
advice for writers who are writing a

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piece of flash fiction to ask yourself,
of the innumerable effects or impressions

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of which the heart,
the intellect or more generally,

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the soul is susceptible,
What one shall I on the present occasion

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select?

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So of all the feelings, of all the things,
what do I feel like to me?

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What am I gonna go with?

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I think that's a nice place to start.

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I think that's interesting because
whenever we talk about flash fiction,

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we talk about how do we approach set of
prompts?

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What kind of ideas does that give you?

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Like, what premises does that inspire?

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But maybe that's a different way of
thinking about it.

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Like, what is the feeling?

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What do I feel right now?

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Yeah.

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How does that inspire me in its own
different way to write within those

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prompts?

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And that's something about that.

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Yeah.

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Like as a reader and as a judge,
I can tell when someone's writing from a

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place of like their thing that they're
feeling in that moment,

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and when someone's really angry or when
someone's really frustrated,

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or when someone's like sad or whatever it
is and it's flowing through and the story

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01:00:01.749 --> 01:00:02.680
itself isn't true.

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Story's just whatever the prompts spat
out for them in their brain,

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01:00:07.139 --> 01:00:10.960
but they wanted to express that and they
successfully did that.

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I think that's huge.

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I think that does resonate, for me anyway,
when someone does that.

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You know,
we talked about him being a plotter.

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01:00:17.640 --> 01:00:20.626
He describes it as in the creation of the
Raven,

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01:00:20.626 --> 01:00:25.563
as that it proceeded step by step to its
completion with the precision and rigid

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01:00:25.563 --> 01:00:27.880
consequence of a mathematical problem.

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01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:33.288
Like this guy,
this ***** who's writing this piece of

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01:00:33.288 --> 01:00:35.680
essentially flash fiction.

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01:00:36.040 --> 01:00:39.680
It's a poem, but wow,
he sees it as a maths problem.

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01:00:39.680 --> 01:00:43.079
And he's like, I want the sound,
I want the O to be a long O,

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01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:44.560
and that makes me feel sad.

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And then I want the word to be nevermore
because that makes me feel sad.

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01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:50.320
And then what kind of animal is sad?

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He's like, oh,
it's not realistic for a person to just

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01:00:53.334 --> 01:00:54.440
keep going nevermore.

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01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:56.880
Like that's not going to fly with the
radar.

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01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:01.805
So let's give it to an animal who's
capable of speech and let's make that

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01:01:01.805 --> 01:01:04.800
animal a black Raven because that feels
sad.

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01:01:05.160 --> 01:01:08.320
And all of this stuff and the weather,
what weather is it?

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01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:09.320
You know, it's howling wind.

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01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:09.480
And.

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01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.320
And that also makes sense for now.

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01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:15.820
That why the Ravens tapping on the window
to get in or the door to get in and even

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01:01:15.820 --> 01:01:20.375
talking about the bust above the door and
how the Raven settles on that and and the

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01:01:20.375 --> 01:01:24.280
contrast between the black and the white
of the marble and all of that.

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01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:25.640
Completely overthinking it.

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01:01:25.640 --> 01:01:26.360
But it works.

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01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:27.280
It all works.

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01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:27.520
Yeah.

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01:01:27.520 --> 01:01:30.844
I feel like that,
especially that mathematical approach to

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01:01:30.844 --> 01:01:32.760
writing as a problem to be solved.

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01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:38.402
That feels like very aligned to poetry,
and I have some experience in that and

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01:01:38.402 --> 01:01:41.480
writing my little poem Who Shat Their
pants?

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01:01:42.040 --> 01:01:43.976
Because I did have someone say similar
thoughts,

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01:01:43.976 --> 01:01:45.320
like it is a problem to be solved.

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01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.480
You've got like this metre that needs to
be met.

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01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:52.195
You're trying to kind of move it from one
moment to the next within these

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01:01:52.195 --> 01:01:52.960
constraints.

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01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:56.519
And it's a bit like a puzzle more so than
a piece of prose where you just kind of

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01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:57.040
ride it out.

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01:01:57.040 --> 01:01:58.280
You got a bit more flexibility.

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01:01:58.280 --> 01:01:58.520
Yeah.

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01:01:58.600 --> 01:01:58.920
Yeah.

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01:01:59.160 --> 01:01:59.680
No, that's true.

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01:02:00.040 --> 01:02:00.880
Sympathise with that.

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01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:03.080
You're just totally on board with the
Raven.

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01:02:03.080 --> 01:02:03.400
Exactly.

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01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:06.533
I mean,
that's who shed their pants is another

6853623c-fee0-4119-bded-c4068bf389a4-1
01:02:06.533 --> 01:02:07.320
great modern word.

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01:02:08.520 --> 01:02:10.120
I happen to agree, to be honest.

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01:02:10.680 --> 01:02:14.458
Another little tidbit, I guess,
from this particular article from Poe,

aa02f197-b883-4da9-9d06-9eb9070a8f6e-1
01:02:14.458 --> 01:02:18.875
and something worth thinking about When
we're framing our pieces of flash fiction,

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01:02:18.875 --> 01:02:21.642
you know,
we often talk about having a single scene

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01:02:21.642 --> 01:02:22.760
and a single setting.

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01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.959
Like,
unless there's a good reason to veer off

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01:02:25.959 --> 01:02:29.430
otherwise,
containing it allows us to really focus

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01:02:29.430 --> 01:02:31.200
in on the crucial aspects.

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01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:33.360
And Poe had his own view on that.

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01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:36.600
And I think it kind of it feeds into what
we typically say.

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01:02:36.600 --> 01:02:39.780
And he said,
it's always appeared to me that a close

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01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:44.340
circumscription of space is absolutely
necessary to the effect of insulated

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01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:44.880
incident.

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01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.400
It has the force of a frame of a picture.

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01:02:48.080 --> 01:02:52.668
And I love that idea that you're framing
your little scene and to think about that

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01:02:52.668 --> 01:02:53.000
frame.

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01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:54.600
We're not just setting it anywhere.

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01:02:54.600 --> 01:02:57.981
And I think this is the kind of thing
that when you're levelling up with your

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01:02:57.981 --> 01:03:00.713
writing and when you're,
when you've got the time, by the way,

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01:03:00.713 --> 01:03:02.838
as well,
to think a little bit more deeply about

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01:03:02.838 --> 01:03:05.006
what you're writing,
you might think about, well,

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01:03:05.006 --> 01:03:05.960
where am I setting it?

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01:03:06.120 --> 01:03:09.760
Am I just setting it here because that's
where my brain went in the first instance

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01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:11.120
of picturing what was going on?

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01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:16.638
Or am I going to think a bit more deeply
about what frames my moment in the most

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01:03:16.638 --> 01:03:17.280
vivid way?

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01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.165
And so, you know,
he talks about choosing the chamber for

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01:03:21.165 --> 01:03:24.960
the Raven and that that is a place of,
you know, quiet reflection.

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01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:28.591
But also, you know,
it's being violated by this sort of the

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01:03:28.591 --> 01:03:29.560
Raven coming in.

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01:03:29.560 --> 01:03:32.430
And this might be a place where he's
thinking about his lost love and all of

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01:03:32.430 --> 01:03:32.840
this stuff.

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01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:34.200
Like he thought about that.

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01:03:34.200 --> 01:03:35.640
He chose that space.

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01:03:35.640 --> 01:03:38.800
It could have been any room,
but he chose that particular space.

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01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:42.080
Where might you encounter a Raven out in
the wild somewhere?

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01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:44.600
And you know,
I think that's a really valid point.

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01:03:44.600 --> 01:03:47.853
And I think when you do have the time to
think that through,

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01:03:47.853 --> 01:03:50.306
thinking about the setting,
not just as like,

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01:03:50.306 --> 01:03:52.653
as if it's inconsequential and
unimportant,

41e43c15-8ef4-4eb2-9f02-7a63a5837290-3
01:03:52.653 --> 01:03:55.640
but how can it add value to what you're
trying to show?

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01:03:55.880 --> 01:04:00.817
How can it either frame it like a picture
or contribute to that feeling that you're

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01:04:00.817 --> 01:04:02.640
trying to evince in the reader?

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01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:03.040
Yeah.

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01:04:03.040 --> 01:04:05.720
And I think setting is a huge part of
post story.

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01:04:05.720 --> 01:04:09.480
Reading through some of his works, I mean,
you mentioned the framing.

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01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.782
I I think also there's a lot of these
stories do have like a claustrophobic

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01:04:12.782 --> 01:04:14.520
feel about like they're very much a lot.

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01:04:14.520 --> 01:04:17.797
Some of them are said in dungeons and
kind of in like Cellars and things,

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catacombs.

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01:04:18.520 --> 01:04:19.480
Yeah, exactly.

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01:04:19.520 --> 01:04:22.440
But but they're very much embedded in in
that setting.

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01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:27.134
It's also true to say that the setting is
almost a character as well in a lot of

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01:04:27.134 --> 01:04:30.213
these stories,
like when we do talk about the catacombs,

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01:04:30.213 --> 01:04:33.400
like you'd get the sense of the dampness
and the dankness.

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And in, for example,
Descent into the Maelstrom,

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01:04:36.286 --> 01:04:41.000
it's more of a an outside story where the
weather and the sea plays a big role.

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01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.871
So all of those stories,
the setting is very well considered and

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01:04:44.871 --> 01:04:49.280
forms a part of not only the story,
but also the single effect, the vibe.

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01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:50.440
The vibe, absolutely.

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01:04:51.080 --> 01:04:52.640
But I think all of this is fascinating.

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01:04:53.160 --> 01:04:56.360
When we talk about single effect,
this is what we're saying we're saying,

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01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:57.960
What emotion are you trying to evoke?

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01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:02.749
And where this comes most starkly into
play is in stories where I feel like

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01:05:02.749 --> 01:05:05.585
there's an unpleasant contradiction in
tone,

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01:05:05.585 --> 01:05:09.619
either maybe between the title and then
the story that follows,

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01:05:09.619 --> 01:05:10.880
or within the story.

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01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:15.992
We sometimes receive stories where we've
got this kind of comical thing going on,

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01:05:15.992 --> 01:05:19.240
but then it's also dark and disturbing at
the same time.

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01:05:19.240 --> 01:05:21.040
And as a reader, it can be confusing.

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01:05:21.040 --> 01:05:22.520
Like,
what are we trying to take from this?

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01:05:22.520 --> 01:05:22.640
Now?

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01:05:22.640 --> 01:05:24.320
There is such a thing as black comedy.

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01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:28.920
And it is OK to have dark comedy,
but it has to be that dark comedy.

a132e4c0-bdfd-4d6e-a24f-2109fba3ea7e-0
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.498
You can't sort of go from Benny Hill and
then to, you know,

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01:05:31.498 --> 01:05:32.960
talking about grief kind of thing.

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01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:37.974
You have to find a way to be consistent
and cohesive in your themes and in your

9c97829c-1036-4db3-8ccc-4ab7bdc99d11-1
01:05:37.974 --> 01:05:41.360
mood of your piece,
especially in such a short piece.

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01:05:41.640 --> 01:05:43.640
And so I think that's worth considering.

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01:05:43.640 --> 01:05:45.651
Sometimes,
like especially if you're more of a

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01:05:45.651 --> 01:05:47.920
pantser and you're kind of just going
with the flow.

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01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:52.380
Sometimes you can introduce elements to
your story that are actually detracting

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01:05:52.380 --> 01:05:53.200
from your story.

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01:05:53.200 --> 01:05:58.074
And you need to be able to identify them
and remove them and maybe replace them

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01:05:58.074 --> 01:06:03.070
with something else that is feeding into
and building that one effect that you're

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01:06:03.070 --> 01:06:06.665
trying to create,
which might be either the comedic effect

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01:06:06.665 --> 01:06:08.920
or the darker effect in this example.

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01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:14.237
And I think that's really important to
think that through because we just don't

62f71c43-2b55-4f50-a45a-3253e6bd465e-1
01:06:14.237 --> 01:06:18.077
have time or headspace to,
in a single piece of 500 word flash

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01:06:18.077 --> 01:06:20.759
fiction, you know,
traverse these emotions.

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01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:24.480
It's it's meant to just hit us in the gut
one time.

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01:06:24.520 --> 01:06:26.000
I think like, that's my view.

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01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.794
I'm not saying it can't be done,
but typically in my experience,

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01:06:29.794 --> 01:06:32.480
the stories that try to do both fail at
both.

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01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.002
But we also talk about,
I think I expand the term,

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01:06:36.002 --> 01:06:38.640
maybe unfairly of this single effect idea.

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01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:43.114
We sometimes apply it to theme as well,
not just emotional impact,

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01:06:43.114 --> 01:06:47.496
but kind of like almost, OK,
if you're writing a story set, you know,

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01:06:47.496 --> 01:06:51.064
on the sea, well,
now everything has to kind of have sea

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01:06:51.064 --> 01:06:51.440
vibes.

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01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:55.219
And you might choose certain words
because they have a shushing sound or

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01:06:55.219 --> 01:06:56.840
something like the sound of a wave.

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01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.440
Or you might focus a detail and compare
it to a fish scale.

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01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:06.680
And we're and everything is sort of
building towards this view of the sea.

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01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:10.480
And that's not an emotional effect,
but it's kind of a thematic effect.

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01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.069
And I think for me,
this concept that Poe had a single effect

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01:07:14.069 --> 01:07:18.123
in terms of that emotional experience
also applies to like a thematic

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01:07:18.123 --> 01:07:18.760
experience.

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01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:21.418
And in a piece that's only 500 words,
to me,

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01:07:21.418 --> 01:07:23.840
it's playful as well and a bit of a game.

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01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:26.261
Like,
what word can I choose that's more sea

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01:07:26.261 --> 01:07:28.360
like, Yeah, than the word I did choose.

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01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:32.260
And that that all feeds into this
satisfaction of something feeling like a

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01:07:32.260 --> 01:07:33.040
complete whole.

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01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:34.680
Yeah,
I don't think those are different things.

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01:07:34.680 --> 01:07:36.880
I think that is exactly what PO was
talking about.

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01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:39.439
And I think that's what he does in his
own writing,

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01:07:39.439 --> 01:07:41.702
as I mentioned in Descent into the
Maelstrom,

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01:07:41.702 --> 01:07:45.000
which is about like storms at sea
basically, that's the maelstrom.

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01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.320
We don't just get that happening in the
story.

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01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:50.720
We get all of the language being stormy.

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01:07:50.720 --> 01:07:52.800
It's like stormy language waves.

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01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:56.160
Everything happens in waves and
everything crashes against everything

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01:07:56.160 --> 01:07:56.400
else.

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01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:58.080
So it's comes out in the language.

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01:07:58.080 --> 01:08:01.649
And the way that he describes the story
in The Cask of Amontillado,

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01:08:01.649 --> 01:08:05.900
we're going into the catacombs and you
you get things told in this kind of dark,

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01:08:05.900 --> 01:08:07.160
claustrophobic language.

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01:08:07.160 --> 01:08:07.760
It feels wet.

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01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:08.840
It's like it's dripping.

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01:08:09.040 --> 01:08:09.680
It's dripping.

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01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:14.478
And part of that is a description,
and part of that is choosing those words

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01:08:14.478 --> 01:08:17.816
that emphasise that single effect and
whether it's thematic,

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01:08:17.816 --> 01:08:20.990
whether it's emotional,
like those are words you can use,

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01:08:20.990 --> 01:08:24.055
but in short pieces,
you need everything to be pointing

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01:08:24.055 --> 01:08:25.040
towards one thing.

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01:08:25.040 --> 01:08:27.968
And I mean,
I think there is probably a point where

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01:08:27.968 --> 01:08:30.560
you can say like, too much as well,
for sure.

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01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:34.726
And, you know, if you're like, oh,
I've used a word here that doesn't link

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01:08:34.726 --> 01:08:35.560
into the theme.

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01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:37.720
Like, that's not necessarily a problem.

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01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:39.480
You, you don't have to go too far.

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01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:42.656
But really,
you want to be emphasising and directing

d7a510e9-5b01-4327-a2cd-2338aa255473-1
01:08:42.656 --> 01:08:45.160
the reader overall into that single
effect.

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01:08:45.400 --> 01:08:45.680
Yeah.

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01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.560
And I think it does come down to every
single choice in your story.

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01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:50.440
Like, what is your character's name?

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01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:51.640
Where do they live?

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01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:52.720
What do they look like?

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01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:55.080
Whatever it is you're choosing to show in
your story.

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01:08:55.080 --> 01:08:57.000
And you don't always show all of those
things.

5b9b094a-64f5-4444-9780-a365350faa1f-0
01:08:57.400 --> 01:09:01.574
How are those things contributing not
just to our view of who this character is,

5b9b094a-64f5-4444-9780-a365350faa1f-1
01:09:01.574 --> 01:09:04.357
for example,
but who this character is in the context

5b9b094a-64f5-4444-9780-a365350faa1f-2
01:09:04.357 --> 01:09:05.800
of this very specific story?

3110e52b-9eef-4c7e-845f-256504325501-0
01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:10.120
What thing about the matters in the
context of this story?

b3fad889-cf88-44c8-8009-ae0f54758eae-0
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.499
I think for me,
a helpful way of thinking about it always

b3fad889-cf88-44c8-8009-ae0f54758eae-1
01:09:13.499 --> 01:09:17.535
is if you were telling the story to party
or if you were telling the story to your

b3fad889-cf88-44c8-8009-ae0f54758eae-2
01:09:17.535 --> 01:09:19.917
best friend,
what's the detail you'd mention and

b3fad889-cf88-44c8-8009-ae0f54758eae-3
01:09:19.917 --> 01:09:22.640
what's the detail you'd leave out in in
that situation?

ff594e13-4336-4bf3-8c7f-650ad65e316a-0
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.047
And so I think it comes down to that,
like what are the details you're choosing

ff594e13-4336-4bf3-8c7f-650ad65e316a-1
01:09:26.047 --> 01:09:26.360
to show?

ac4aa486-72c7-4492-9f0f-642217e06e41-0
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:28.480
How do they contribute to this theme?

e791ed6d-d6cd-4bc1-8697-1fcce526ee98-0
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:33.120
How do they all fit as part of 1 cohesive
picture?

f0959012-a34f-4f65-b3cb-b8446fd7a87f-0
01:09:33.360 --> 01:09:38.120
I don't think we're looking in that
context for a complex individual.

efa69d45-7907-4528-b845-d4878d3f7d5e-0
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:43.047
We want a hint of complexity,
but not to have to delve into that

efa69d45-7907-4528-b845-d4878d3f7d5e-1
01:09:43.047 --> 01:09:43.800
complexity.

b5045228-21f2-433f-b4b5-8f3b364d989c-0
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:47.808
We want to know it's there,
but we only want to see that aspect of it

b5045228-21f2-433f-b4b5-8f3b364d989c-1
01:09:47.808 --> 01:09:49.440
that plays into the narrative.

4ec99e76-4d4b-409a-b083-deee37b6054a-0
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:49.960
Yeah.

55c4b8d2-69f9-47d1-a6e4-815e294aa5e3-0
01:09:50.440 --> 01:09:52.840
So I think that's all we have to say
about single effect.

7d9b6e3a-00d8-405f-940f-17d650ec4f83-0
01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:55.480
We can put that one to bed forever and
never, ever bring.

75289514-ed09-4b51-a445-cc21fdf489f6-0
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:57.320
Oh, yeah, totally.

d16f1b10-38d8-438e-9fe1-87548465fc93-0
01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:01.400
But let's talk about some of these
stories that we read, some fun stories.

d9329d0d-12ac-4736-8036-08b2f4fee8ce-0
01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:03.800
I had so much fun reading this stuff.

2d3fc292-3ab4-411b-8eb2-bf306c34408f-0
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:05.080
He's so good.

4f255826-f707-440e-a622-07f35cbbde98-0
01:10:05.480 --> 01:10:05.800
Yeah.

dcbd2c17-95e1-4be6-b630-6ecd5bc8924c-0
01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:08.320
All these stories have such a a fun voice.

faa8fb24-5c8d-4ae2-81c7-e7b1cc081131-0
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.520
And it's a writing style we don't see
very often.

1c5a09ea-5713-4e46-bdb2-57371dcc4e6c-0
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:11.800
Yeah.

a4f287ca-2822-4485-9fa6-88a85388a572-0
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:13.920
I mean, I guess it's just of its time.

490a2ed6-7441-4a1c-a34d-77bc0ec73e2b-0
01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:14.320
Yeah.

638c1079-c9f4-461f-a29a-674253745a76-0
01:10:14.320 --> 01:10:18.547
Probably read a little bit more smoothly
at the time than it does now,

638c1079-c9f4-461f-a29a-674253745a76-1
01:10:18.547 --> 01:10:19.560
but I don't know.

e882c5a8-dbc0-4563-b11c-42de8d16a451-0
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:22.960
Just the sarcastic ********** of it all,
really.

4ae36e9a-6dc0-4c1a-a25c-bee25c926ee3-0
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:24.040
Just spoke to me.

6898754d-bfc9-4d67-936e-a6d0b26c6340-0
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:24.720
Yeah.

f1320420-d6f6-4e59-a908-01f48d712233-0
01:10:25.080 --> 01:10:28.360
Yeah, he was just always roasting people.

c5463023-fd9f-46d2-a87f-313778b62992-0
01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:29.920
Yeah, including himself.

09072d36-5a82-4643-8388-36ab00757dd1-0
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:30.680
I think that's great.

4a497887-26c9-488b-a796-aa9782f20364-0
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:34.951
So I suppose that's a good segue to the
first little short story in this list,

4a497887-26c9-488b-a796-aa9782f20364-1
01:10:34.951 --> 01:10:39.236
which is Never Bet the Devil Your head,
because this is like a bit of a polemic

4a497887-26c9-488b-a796-aa9782f20364-2
01:10:39.236 --> 01:10:41.914
about, sorry,
I don't mean to sound like a bimbo,

4a497887-26c9-488b-a796-aa9782f20364-3
01:10:41.914 --> 01:10:43.200
but what does that mean?

102bf08f-eb6e-4fc5-8706-688a4655d454-0
01:10:43.240 --> 01:10:44.160
What's a polemic?

3b529b85-34ac-4209-80b8-7603c179d316-0
01:10:44.160 --> 01:10:48.023
So a polemic is basically like a a piece
of writing that attacks an idea,

3b529b85-34ac-4209-80b8-7603c179d316-1
01:10:48.023 --> 01:10:50.320
like a critical,
critical piece of writing.

27c9f1a8-d190-4b53-b3df-ccb86b40fc02-0
01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:50.760
Gotcha.

8e4327c6-724e-497c-9cdf-46cfce40e58d-0
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.600
So in this Never bet the Devil your head.

b8c080e7-cb88-48e0-a602-a63f29a08ec7-0
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:57.889
And the part of the problem with reading
poem from like a couple of 100 years ago

b8c080e7-cb88-48e0-a602-a63f29a08ec7-1
01:10:57.889 --> 01:11:01.655
is that we don't have that cultural
context and we don't know what he's

b8c080e7-cb88-48e0-a602-a63f29a08ec7-2
01:11:01.655 --> 01:11:03.120
really pushing back against.

f060aa6c-7862-4175-aa41-7f007f502073-0
01:11:03.120 --> 01:11:06.040
And you have to read further reading to
kind of get to that point.

c58abb11-7df9-4796-a6b5-7999cce3d7c9-0
01:11:06.080 --> 01:11:09.320
But this piece,
part of what it's doing is pushing back

c58abb11-7df9-4796-a6b5-7999cce3d7c9-1
01:11:09.320 --> 01:11:12.560
on the idea that like literature needs to
have a moral.

56f467e1-6637-4e2b-9383-71986b7843c9-0
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:16.160
It needs to end with a lesson essentially
for the reader.

ce6ec08f-50cb-46f9-9998-e73a7c652f19-0
01:11:16.400 --> 01:11:19.360
And yeah,
the the whole point of this story is,

ce6ec08f-50cb-46f9-9998-e73a7c652f19-1
01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:22.320
is ironically,
the moral is don't have a moral.

6e14ac17-6cd1-4622-afdc-00c2d7949959-0
01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:22.920
It kind of is.

94c99403-acf0-4156-90b9-f9baa7424175-0
01:11:23.040 --> 01:11:24.440
It kind of does have a moral, yes.

bcc556f5-a7fc-49be-84d5-b042563c7d07-0
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:25.200
Ironically.

f4903f1a-4861-464f-8e1d-ce3baafb805e-0
01:11:25.440 --> 01:11:26.200
Did you read this one?

10d6d3a3-ff03-4ad3-a8c6-89e4f8092dee-0
01:11:26.240 --> 01:11:27.160
I did, Yeah.

97d05f30-c593-46f0-a17f-8618c7aba718-0
01:11:27.160 --> 01:11:27.560
Yeah.

7d489d55-cc9c-4d17-b725-4b9af66349a5-0
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:28.760
It's completely stupid.

d68342a9-81fe-4c55-9558-4272b70a4785-0
01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:28.960
Yeah.

34719a46-4f1f-45eb-99ad-415b0a440e5d-0
01:11:29.080 --> 01:11:31.800
I think he got a bit carried away with
himself in this one.

39853f96-4552-49bb-9460-2fe99a62cce6-0
01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:36.098
But basically he's talking about this
character who's always betting everyone

39853f96-4552-49bb-9460-2fe99a62cce6-1
01:11:36.098 --> 01:11:38.080
everything but not following through.

cd7afffb-bf4a-4ce3-952b-5bbdead9ac98-0
01:11:38.120 --> 01:11:42.840
And he's basically his catch phrase is
I'll bet the devil my head that whatever.

5acad507-675d-444c-9f1d-0f9d62368e9a-0
01:11:43.200 --> 01:11:47.965
And so he says it out loud that he's
going to bet the devil his head that he

5acad507-675d-444c-9f1d-0f9d62368e9a-1
01:11:47.965 --> 01:11:53.040
can jump over this style and this little
creepy dudes like, sorry, what was that?

6f5de204-1a51-40c4-96d3-5034b5d3c4a2-0
01:11:53.120 --> 01:11:55.800
But you said just now and he's like I
said, I'd bet the devil my head.

0650a0ea-8ce0-423b-9ad5-57fce9391d5e-0
01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:57.680
He's like, OK, let's shake on it.

5706ce5d-f55d-4b04-96a5-44463f6d9dc8-0
01:11:58.320 --> 01:11:58.440
Yeah.

89c58bcc-7018-4a22-aeff-73336f5030db-0
01:11:58.440 --> 01:12:03.563
And so he does this running jump over the
style and chops his head off like on a

89c58bcc-7018-4a22-aeff-73336f5030db-1
01:12:03.563 --> 01:12:03.880
pole.

bc4e38b8-8d33-4a48-bc93-702b32e3bd09-0
01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:06.318
He like,
nails himself on a pole and his head

bc4e38b8-8d33-4a48-bc93-702b32e3bd09-1
01:12:06.318 --> 01:12:08.120
comes clean off, which is amazing.

f1b79970-3333-42ef-a5cf-8a363c0ded04-0
01:12:08.120 --> 01:12:09.886
Like,
imagine running so fast you knocked your

f1b79970-3333-42ef-a5cf-8a363c0ded04-1
01:12:09.886 --> 01:12:10.600
head off on a pole.

36cf654b-4587-4e0f-9bdb-6a7512624f8e-0
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.000
Yeah, so completely stupid.

25b15575-4f12-4019-bb7f-bb616b6bf781-0
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:15.960
But I think a Poe himself is a bit of a
gambler.

b868c115-bd7d-44ef-9162-47c2d70cd042-0
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:21.372
So I think he resonated with this gambler
character and just completely overplayed

b868c115-bd7d-44ef-9162-47c2d70cd042-1
01:12:21.372 --> 01:12:23.720
this idea that it's wrong to gamble.

160e42ae-cf4a-45ff-b53d-3d5ee764b34a-0
01:12:24.080 --> 01:12:25.200
I don't know how you felt about it.

a04afedc-9f13-4732-9454-2904128012c9-0
01:12:25.200 --> 01:12:26.800
I felt like it was pretty frivolous.

7cec662d-6c52-4eff-82d5-74753522131c-0
01:12:27.160 --> 01:12:28.720
It felt pretty frivolous.

b765765b-e7d7-4c5e-9191-ccb636641c8b-0
01:12:29.160 --> 01:12:32.168
But look, reading into like,
some of the commentary and analysis

b765765b-e7d7-4c5e-9191-ccb636641c8b-1
01:12:32.168 --> 01:12:35.224
around this story, like,
this is Chris's description of the story

b765765b-e7d7-4c5e-9191-ccb636641c8b-2
01:12:35.224 --> 01:12:37.400
and Chris being the curator of the Poe
Museum.

d2ac288d-a08a-49fe-a482-f38e7fd9f7d4-0
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.977
It's a short story making fun of the
transcendentalists,

d2ac288d-a08a-49fe-a482-f38e7fd9f7d4-1
01:12:40.977 --> 01:12:42.920
of which we have no concept today.

e66d368e-8767-44ad-b574-9b875d0031d1-0
01:12:43.120 --> 01:12:45.000
You know, they're not a part of our lives.

130d751f-4408-4dad-9ddc-dc718cda8743-0
01:12:45.080 --> 01:12:47.480
So we don't read that deeper meaning.

f629082a-a709-4b51-941d-a584c763181d-0
01:12:47.480 --> 01:12:50.022
And like,
we don't read the sarcasm and the the

f629082a-a709-4b51-941d-a584c763181d-1
01:12:50.022 --> 01:12:51.400
critique out of the story.

94b72fde-d260-4352-920b-e0040d5609da-0
01:12:51.400 --> 01:12:53.120
We we take it as a frivolous story.

2680c0ca-aaf2-4771-adbf-cabd32b93271-0
01:12:53.120 --> 01:12:53.320
Yeah.

5fd295a2-2d88-4810-827e-42a933dbb946-0
01:12:53.320 --> 01:12:55.669
True,
you're not getting like all the in you

5fd295a2-2d88-4810-827e-42a933dbb946-1
01:12:55.669 --> 01:12:56.400
appreciate it.

075ec7fc-d94e-432a-8556-5c727ec5cb90-0
01:12:56.440 --> 01:12:57.640
Yeah, yeah, totally.

0da2d0a9-d032-4af3-b8e6-842cfa4a7258-0
01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.920
So the next story Hopfrog maybe has some
problematic.

e7a0a840-1799-47e4-affa-e4ec0ec6ee30-0
01:13:01.080 --> 01:13:04.095
It is so problematic it it does not fly
in 2026,

e7a0a840-1799-47e4-affa-e4ec0ec6ee30-1
01:13:04.095 --> 01:13:06.680
which is what I love most of all about it.

430371d2-d289-419f-9eea-9efdd131106b-0
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:09.520
And my friend Pat and hi to Pat if you're
listening.

473c12ac-f4a5-4dc6-93ae-416227f10af5-0
01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:11.920
She loves problematic stuff.

87ed7558-c84f-456f-94f5-22e249ead993-0
01:13:12.120 --> 01:13:17.900
It just tickles her in this this way of
like loving the fact that you can't get

87ed7558-c84f-456f-94f5-22e249ead993-1
01:13:17.900 --> 01:13:18.840
away with it.

9821f89f-8eb6-4591-b066-21d6d16c0667-0
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:20.040
So I think she'd really like it.

e3b4ec19-e61f-4e2c-b402-4a28f58c29e5-0
01:13:20.040 --> 01:13:23.400
But there's just a lot of highly racist
and horrible reference.

972e40b6-0d63-46e3-add4-ff29d822ef67-0
01:13:23.400 --> 01:13:25.840
I don't think anyone there's body shaming,
body shaming.

74b5e984-3b6e-4e5c-92ca-5d851676c9ad-0
01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:27.960
It's all about ableism.

f90d2791-425d-423a-9601-3dc1c01473d8-0
01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:29.000
Yeah, everything.

26607414-b324-4225-aec0-72f66dff68ac-0
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:29.760
Tick, tick, tick.

c72c9bb4-a8d3-4a02-a97e-4f27f61fd849-0
01:13:30.200 --> 01:13:34.000
But this one is about basically a court
jester kind of revenge.

63c30395-3340-4fd6-af54-6918f1cd3e25-0
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:34.320
Yeah.

9e3ef02a-d5bb-4ba5-9a38-6d57431a5762-0
01:13:34.320 --> 01:13:34.720
Yeah.

aecaa325-7aae-4dc3-8dc6-cac53e755f4b-0
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:37.840
You could see this plot taking place in
like, A Game of Thrones.

47d20975-2ef6-4a2f-8723-9462b392f501-0
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:39.480
100%, yeah.

2b0ef559-64ac-49ec-8e5f-d658c007be19-0
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:42.880
And it's very dark and pretty crazy.

6464a1a2-c8d8-4a7b-a549-aef0b39c20a6-0
01:13:43.280 --> 01:13:44.320
I quite enjoyed that one.

94b53a82-4c08-49bf-85a9-b32dd5be0c4c-0
01:13:44.320 --> 01:13:47.200
I am in my revenge era,
so I did enjoy that.

b11afb57-b52b-4eed-946e-1ef741dfcb95-0
01:13:47.200 --> 01:13:49.520
But basically, let's put it this way.

23ec9773-e005-4a25-924b-658edd8847e6-0
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:53.760
The king has his little jester who
everyone calls Hopfrog.

f4817f68-bd9c-4a82-bdf7-d5508e4e7f2c-0
01:13:54.080 --> 01:13:59.240
So just insert your own imagination as,
yeah, like what his challenges might be.

e511fac5-87c0-4fcf-ac25-b5e3cd60b5be-0
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:01.520
And the king roasts him.

0bd353a4-6fd4-487f-83c1-38713e9e1137-0
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.920
But the king just thinks everything is
funny.

91e757df-97c4-429b-9285-7724b5b73fed-0
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:05.720
Like,
the King's just here for a good time.

59bd8966-ad33-413f-bdbe-0aeaae22bd46-0
01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.080
And basically Hopfrog latches onto that.

5cb33961-ea6b-414e-8036-165ecb4ac9bd-0
01:14:08.080 --> 01:14:09.760
And he's like, OK, well,
I'm going to beat you.

7d413683-ab66-4900-8b69-7279e8aa0b89-0
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:11.160
Your own game kind of thing.

5270bc1e-afa8-43a2-8505-01a94386b110-0
01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.160
And so the King's like, oh,
we're going to have this masquerade ball.

0d906e54-58d4-4889-bca2-c009a4c12f82-0
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:19.624
And but I want I want to really just
trick everyone and be so funny and

0d906e54-58d4-4889-bca2-c009a4c12f82-1
01:14:19.624 --> 01:14:20.080
amazing.

27ba818c-1b84-4e21-81ab-203f7ffd2c61-0
01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:22.160
Like give me all your ideas basically.

c86eb36e-1ee1-4db6-a1d8-e1bbdfa73bc2-0
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:25.120
And hot frog is like, OK,
here's what you have to do.

2af1b8b2-5402-41f4-85f0-9abfa3e1e892-0
01:14:25.120 --> 01:14:26.680
You have to scare everyone.

0dc35fb3-6c38-47b4-bae4-11ad23f42bfe-0
01:14:27.120 --> 01:14:31.409
So basically what he does is he gets the
king to come to this party late and sort

0dc35fb3-6c38-47b4-bae4-11ad23f42bfe-1
01:14:31.409 --> 01:14:35.698
of scare everyone because everyone is so
******* naive that a dude coming in with

0dc35fb3-6c38-47b4-bae4-11ad23f42bfe-2
01:14:35.698 --> 01:14:38.000
like a wolf mask or whatever it was he
had.

98799b9c-a3df-47b7-a77a-e37430ca2d91-0
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:38.760
They're probably all drunk.

9430b88d-f645-40ae-afbf-b04c76aaa351-0
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:42.058
They're drunk as **** to be fair,
but like they're like, Oh my God,

9430b88d-f645-40ae-afbf-b04c76aaa351-1
01:14:42.058 --> 01:14:42.520
it's real.

f92b116c-7889-418f-aa2a-d5fce6cbe14a-0
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:44.240
I'm just a naive person.

cd13ae0a-01f5-4834-94c1-d21ce9f071fc-0
01:14:44.240 --> 01:14:45.280
I don't understand that.

e1c80453-4f81-437b-bf92-dcec3068c4c2-0
01:14:45.280 --> 01:14:47.960
Like a bit of a costume is not an animal.

c7beec03-6465-4631-8570-78c8be7c9bdd-0
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.228
So anyway,
they're all freaking out and the King's

c7beec03-6465-4631-8570-78c8be7c9bdd-1
01:14:50.228 --> 01:14:53.120
loving himself sick because he scared
everyone at his own party.

b0c1cfec-98f9-4b23-9d83-8a871a8b3242-0
01:14:53.160 --> 01:14:56.600
But then hot Frog, meanwhile is like, oh,
anyways.

bd98acd5-1cfd-4ee2-9767-35de7eeccd89-0
01:14:56.600 --> 01:15:02.040
And then he hooks the king onto like the
chandelier and hoists him up.

afb232e2-14d6-4c97-9b73-532770410dc2-0
01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:04.840
And the king and his mates,
who is chained all together.

6c3f71b9-00dd-4054-9211-cd0a76625e25-0
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:07.000
That's part of the reason he's like, oh,
you've got to be chained together.

528dc997-89ce-450a-81b8-dfbb704dfcef-0
01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:09.400
It's going to be so much more funny if
you're all chained together.

47889289-07b1-4304-89e4-7dd911fb1163-0
01:15:09.400 --> 01:15:10.080
And they're so dumb.

ccd9fcd6-5f03-4f5e-93de-22293e2474e3-0
01:15:10.080 --> 01:15:11.240
They're like, OK, great idea.

d91e2d3b-fd31-436a-b093-1989f785574f-0
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:13.924
Anyway,
so he hoists them all up and then

d91e2d3b-fd31-436a-b093-1989f785574f-1
01:15:13.924 --> 01:15:17.440
basically he just sets them on fire and
they're just like burning,

d91e2d3b-fd31-436a-b093-1989f785574f-2
01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:18.280
Yeah in the sky.

a240c4fe-2388-497d-834d-dd5397a9ad83-0
01:15:18.280 --> 01:15:21.960
And everyone's like, oh **** you know,
like this is a bit dramatic.

c6148f3f-c7e5-4d79-9a37-20dca4b1eef2-0
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:22.200
Yeah.

fed7046c-3ebc-4537-8c9a-a9b58945858a-0
01:15:22.440 --> 01:15:25.517
I mean, look at the in their defence,
this was pre Internet,

fed7046c-3ebc-4537-8c9a-a9b58945858a-1
01:15:25.517 --> 01:15:26.880
but they were really bored.

3a6bb690-b3b6-4220-b396-ffd019fcd2af-0
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.280
They were like entertainers.

450455bd-569d-4a14-922e-5e20bd1ac938-0
01:15:28.280 --> 01:15:29.320
They've got no jobs.

3979d31c-f49b-4bb8-9d32-04a1b0b58118-0
01:15:29.320 --> 01:15:30.160
They just sit around.

40146cb7-0e41-47f2-a63f-65c155544b3c-0
01:15:30.160 --> 01:15:33.400
They're like, do something,
just gotta make your own stuff, films.

a6ecb1ba-7372-4215-bbc2-3ed7b314a186-0
01:15:33.480 --> 01:15:39.372
And it's like when you don't have all got
to be chained up and he's they're like,

a6ecb1ba-7372-4215-bbc2-3ed7b314a186-1
01:15:39.372 --> 01:15:41.600
yes, something do that, please.

3c8fe5f4-2786-4679-ac97-ca8d6cd54ec4-0
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:45.200
Love of God,
I'm only going to live to 40 years old.

5b4524c5-5220-4f14-a7fb-d31304f0fc1a-0
01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:46.480
I'm going to make the most of it.

1dcac817-a8c5-4d7b-8631-fe467ab6d18a-0
01:15:47.120 --> 01:15:47.440
Yeah.

05069b03-44b0-4cac-bcd0-cb83a7d16c07-0
01:15:47.440 --> 01:15:50.388
I mean,
so that story was just on every level a

05069b03-44b0-4cac-bcd0-cb83a7d16c07-1
01:15:50.388 --> 01:15:50.880
problem.

b747bfc8-cae7-457a-8402-44a256fe6f95-0
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:52.240
But love a bit of revenge.

c9d5727d-92e6-4e19-92eb-4e3b505aec07-0
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:52.920
Yeah.

9667bebd-31ad-48be-86db-8fcd121b5c34-0
01:15:53.240 --> 01:15:56.709
And Speaking of revenge, the next story,
The Cask of Amontillado,

9667bebd-31ad-48be-86db-8fcd121b5c34-1
01:15:56.709 --> 01:15:58.760
that was actually the first one I read.

f8e0fc3d-3942-4cf1-b507-b0c56c1811b2-0
01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:01.826
And when I say I'm in revenge era, like,
you know, you know,

f8e0fc3d-3942-4cf1-b507-b0c56c1811b2-1
01:16:01.826 --> 01:16:05.200
I don't need to share it on air,
but I feel like you're avenge era.

92177783-331e-4daa-bdfe-35b46b65c378-0
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:09.680
Do you want to be added to my list?

efc6aed2-73f0-4bb2-abc6-a9979831996d-0
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:10.840
Please tell me more.

b1bf610a-ca15-4139-921b-b5361a8d89fc-0
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:13.240
Say, where does it have a start date?

6afe9db8-f849-49b0-9447-2b7af25669ee-0
01:16:13.240 --> 01:16:15.680
Or is it just kind of been building from
the start?

f1961dde-cf37-4095-abe3-97192d6e9bc9-0
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:20.966
Listen, I don't know, it comes and goes,
but I'm definitely I'm vibing with it at

f1961dde-cf37-4095-abe3-97192d6e9bc9-1
01:16:20.966 --> 01:16:21.520
the moment.

6d72d70b-b390-4906-bbed-fd1f441e8043-0
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:23.560
It's it's a predominant feeling at the
moment.

399e95f5-9cca-480b-b240-26b0eaaf2f79-0
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:26.120
And so I read the cask of Amontillado.

8bc15982-84ce-4414-bfe1-be50b9987b9e-0
01:16:26.120 --> 01:16:29.775
And if you are feeling revenge,
if you are feeling like someone's done

8bc15982-84ce-4414-bfe1-be50b9987b9e-1
01:16:29.775 --> 01:16:31.680
you wrong, you got to read the story.

be35e2e3-6731-4bfb-8467-78056bafefac-0
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:33.040
It makes you feel so good.

dc9923ee-e856-4d6c-a1da-77a237b3880e-0
01:16:33.120 --> 01:16:35.680
You're like,
this is what I need to do in my life.

ceb24867-6d51-476a-9825-9f8121f5a514-0
01:16:36.040 --> 01:16:39.447
This is,
this is basically a blueprint for how I

ceb24867-6d51-476a-9825-9f8121f5a514-1
01:16:39.447 --> 01:16:43.202
should behave,
which is to basically lure the villain

ceb24867-6d51-476a-9825-9f8121f5a514-2
01:16:43.202 --> 01:16:46.680
down into your catacombs and wall them in
to die.

5323015a-a651-44b4-b237-91f4022cac56-0
01:16:47.400 --> 01:16:47.760
Yeah.

400ffbd4-f17c-44db-a964-291fca0c35ff-0
01:16:48.080 --> 01:16:50.771
And look,
this is the one that we called out for

400ffbd4-f17c-44db-a964-291fca0c35ff-1
01:16:50.771 --> 01:16:52.200
the single effect moments.

7edf70f2-21b7-4d4b-87a4-5da472b6f373-0
01:16:52.200 --> 01:16:55.640
Like this whole idea of being in the in
the catacombs, It's moist.

9c683daa-025e-4f8b-a7d0-13a1f73bc1f2-0
01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:59.088
There's also a lot of coughing that's
happening in there,

9c683daa-025e-4f8b-a7d0-13a1f73bc1f2-1
01:16:59.088 --> 01:17:02.894
like coughing and spluttering and
moisture and just like, yeah,

9c683daa-025e-4f8b-a7d0-13a1f73bc1f2-2
01:17:02.894 --> 01:17:04.439
you really feel the mould.

f648dfda-f671-43bf-8657-98cbb73d663d-0
01:17:04.440 --> 01:17:05.480
It's very damp.

8a954fd6-4088-4f58-864e-2791939afb26-0
01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:07.400
He talks about the mould, I think.

aa6c6c93-1b96-420d-88d5-8a841cd56db2-0
01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:11.136
I feel like the mould is mentioned
specifically, and if it's not,

aa6c6c93-1b96-420d-88d5-8a841cd56db2-1
01:17:11.136 --> 01:17:12.600
it's definitely alluded to.

2c01f101-8f71-4517-ae5f-61bc63c05d9b-0
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:16.179
But they're walking through and there's
all the bones in there with the proper

2c01f101-8f71-4517-ae5f-61bc63c05d9b-1
01:17:16.179 --> 01:17:18.400
catacombs with all the skeletons and
everything.

e0640869-684e-4d76-8c33-f55e12001587-0
01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:22.440
I guess I had to Google it so I didn't
know what a cask of a Monteado was.

044e1289-c4f1-4a45-829a-9ca618ed1e6d-0
01:17:22.440 --> 01:17:24.765
And it's basically like a big barrel of
wine,

044e1289-c4f1-4a45-829a-9ca618ed1e6d-1
01:17:24.765 --> 01:17:27.040
a particular type of wine called a
monteado.

76f528ff-bb70-4530-a50d-bec494267cbc-0
01:17:27.240 --> 01:17:29.040
It's like a barrel of Penfolds or
something.

c6861330-70bd-4da2-8fd1-92c6ed24ce1f-0
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:31.640
I'm not sure about Penfolds.

da32bc0d-3150-4e4b-867b-f4eba5c1cbdd-0
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:32.920
That might be going a bit far.

c45bc383-cf28-40d8-ba96-8d3b4d4cd32a-0
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:35.400
It's a fancy,
expensive wine that is hard to come by.

901ae974-93a0-4abe-99de-11a520fb21b9-0
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:39.107
And he's saying to this guy, oh,
you should come try it because I really

901ae974-93a0-4abe-99de-11a520fb21b9-1
01:17:39.107 --> 01:17:40.000
value your opinion.

6ed68493-ef43-4698-bb61-60c8a3a7a326-0
01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:41.400
And I know you're such a connoisseur.

95a81080-946e-486e-b54f-38dedb343b4d-0
01:17:41.400 --> 01:17:43.440
And the guy's like, oh,
I ******* am a connoisseur.

913f81cb-ad5a-46fa-92ac-9a6851e55718-0
01:17:43.440 --> 01:17:45.440
And he's in there immediately.

ae792e13-2d21-4072-8246-2a987b65baec-0
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:49.473
So if you know someone who's a massive
****** that's how to get him into your

ae792e13-2d21-4072-8246-2a987b65baec-1
01:17:49.473 --> 01:17:49.960
catacombs.

93042e56-227a-4a8d-84e1-a8f1aaed06db-0
01:17:50.480 --> 01:17:53.261
And then, yeah, I mean,
I should have said spoiler alert about 10

93042e56-227a-4a8d-84e1-a8f1aaed06db-1
01:17:53.261 --> 01:17:55.200
minutes ago, but basically,
that's all right.

1644baa3-506e-447f-b8db-908da7f83478-0
01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:57.760
I think the statute of imitations have
passed.

ed2861d3-690d-496b-8ce4-a953b3498bca-0
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:02.720
I've got in my notes for this one that
it's interesting that we never learn.

b14fcaa6-bd19-43f7-adec-729eddb960cb-0
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.120
Like why his main character?

4526ba9b-3e20-480d-aa0c-81bc3ddf70a2-0
01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:06.960
Why does he hate this guy?

792a4161-acf0-46bd-83d3-8aa4430a995b-0
01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:08.600
And,
and he's seeking because he's a ******.

a623ec1a-6fbf-4f7d-90d8-5d50eb6f0071-0
01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:10.240
But we don't, we don't know.

13383e7a-92c9-40d7-9ba4-4ac78d6aa25c-0
01:18:10.240 --> 01:18:11.400
We don't get told.

28cf8bce-c7ff-49fd-8971-c1d369995fb8-0
01:18:11.400 --> 01:18:14.856
So I think as readers,
we get to imprint our own little revenge

28cf8bce-c7ff-49fd-8971-c1d369995fb8-1
01:18:14.856 --> 01:18:17.880
fantasy on this character and think of
our own reasons.

b821f6b4-6f8b-40e9-a889-5e5bae18f9dc-0
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:19.480
I'm thinking of some reasons right now.

81fae682-7387-46b2-b44f-0507f0e46e88-0
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:24.440
OK, so the next one, William Wilson,
I have not read.

f3f49d0f-2450-4bf0-aa05-4d9c2dce7135-0
01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:27.562
Well, it was 8000 words,
so I gave it a little bit of a pass as

f3f49d0f-2450-4bf0-aa05-4d9c2dce7135-1
01:18:27.562 --> 01:18:27.800
well.

6e908405-119e-424e-b89c-b3fce3f8ab13-0
01:18:28.200 --> 01:18:29.360
But I have read Berenice.

6a0ee9b1-12bb-4af1-ad76-9d006e4eeb0e-0
01:18:29.360 --> 01:18:32.780
So according to Chris,
this was Pose first Horror Story,

6a0ee9b1-12bb-4af1-ad76-9d006e4eeb0e-1
01:18:32.780 --> 01:18:34.760
which is cool of a bit of horror.

b00aacaa-f220-4820-addb-a51aef36640d-0
01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:37.800
And they all have sort of macabre horror
sort of themes as well.

b8b283fe-45af-4e5e-a260-8f98ae75c80e-0
01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:42.151
But this one is about basically a dude
who marries his cousin, which you know,

b8b283fe-45af-4e5e-a260-8f98ae75c80e-1
01:18:42.151 --> 01:18:44.960
I'm sure is a little bit autobiographical
for Poe.

c2c2841d-a56a-4cff-91b8-8f464ea4cadf-0
01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:49.135
But his cousin's like this beautiful
frolicking, like lovely,

c2c2841d-a56a-4cff-91b8-8f464ea4cadf-1
01:18:49.135 --> 01:18:51.560
full of life kind of girl basically.

1cd7cdb3-06bc-4629-89ae-f393f5af440d-0
01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:53.400
And he's kind of this morose dude.

f67812dd-3d6b-4090-8423-9f17e1a5736a-0
01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:56.381
And again,
I'm sure this is just a little bit

f67812dd-3d6b-4090-8423-9f17e1a5736a-1
01:18:56.381 --> 01:18:57.920
autobiographical about Poe.

1771a4d8-c0a9-461a-b8cd-2915e07bf7db-0
01:18:58.240 --> 01:19:01.840
But she becomes ill and as a result,
she starts wasting away.

7c9cf4ad-0ff1-4353-968c-741d28d08b4d-0
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:05.195
She's got some sort of wasting illness
and she and she just loses all this way

7c9cf4ad-0ff1-4353-968c-741d28d08b4d-1
01:19:05.195 --> 01:19:07.320
and she loses her lustful life and it's
very sad.

1bda3af3-1d28-4f00-a322-e7899d0107d2-0
01:19:08.040 --> 01:19:12.683
So it touches on this idea of monomania,
which is kind of like an obsession in one

1bda3af3-1d28-4f00-a322-e7899d0107d2-1
01:19:12.683 --> 01:19:15.760
thing to the point where it's kind of
driving you mad.

5d334d98-2bb3-4b28-9309-b4df4b50b4e6-0
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:17.760
But like, in every other respect,
you're fine.

4fecdc35-4317-4ac0-aaaa-03da5a70ea8e-0
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:19.960
But this one thing is really getting to
you.

e26fd19a-6977-4316-849a-178842faa055-0
01:19:20.360 --> 01:19:25.048
And so obviously, you know,
it's traumatised by what's happening to

e26fd19a-6977-4316-849a-178842faa055-1
01:19:25.048 --> 01:19:27.600
his wife, but he gets really fixated.

620786f6-dd62-430a-b003-47d229bf2abf-0
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:31.864
He sees this vision of her and it's not
clear whether it's really her or just her

620786f6-dd62-430a-b003-47d229bf2abf-1
01:19:31.864 --> 01:19:34.932
and his imagination,
but he becomes like obsessed with her

620786f6-dd62-430a-b003-47d229bf2abf-2
01:19:34.932 --> 01:19:36.960
teeth and they creep him out massively.

ea11085d-cf47-493e-9329-0bed4152b2b8-0
01:19:37.240 --> 01:19:39.400
And it's a beautifully creepy description.

9612cc1c-dd2a-4328-8133-77b9e0c4271a-0
01:19:39.400 --> 01:19:43.080
It's quite evocative and impressive the
way he describes these teeth.

2b48b180-1cf1-4393-ad5f-4a50872c9543-0
01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:45.560
But he's he becomes obsessed with them.

19219152-6c10-47a2-be6f-8d8ec06960ac-0
01:19:46.120 --> 01:19:50.948
And then Berenice dies and so he goes to
her in her bed and there's this horrible

19219152-6c10-47a2-be6f-8d8ec06960ac-1
01:19:50.948 --> 01:19:55.601
moment where he goes in the curtains of
the bed and and he's becomes horrified

19219152-6c10-47a2-be6f-8d8ec06960ac-2
01:19:55.601 --> 01:19:58.840
and, you know,
sort of runs away and and she's buried.

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01:19:59.200 --> 01:20:01.160
And then he kind of goes into this trance.

d4e95612-9a68-4439-b360-ed59d37a25d3-0
01:20:01.160 --> 01:20:03.440
So he keeps talking about going into
these trances.

d68a4c12-9391-4843-b992-1a168c7b3c8f-0
01:20:03.440 --> 01:20:05.959
And again,
I think this might have been a little bit

d68a4c12-9391-4843-b992-1a168c7b3c8f-1
01:20:05.959 --> 01:20:08.573
autobiographical because I think he did
have epilepsy,

d68a4c12-9391-4843-b992-1a168c7b3c8f-2
01:20:08.573 --> 01:20:10.000
at least that's what I gather.

3464c841-031d-49b1-bf98-b653966c2976-0
01:20:10.080 --> 01:20:13.520
And he would sort of go into these trance
like States and so.

876e6c81-7462-4e63-a06b-f7f0a7224260-0
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.055
The character in this story is sort of in
this trance,

876e6c81-7462-4e63-a06b-f7f0a7224260-1
01:20:17.055 --> 01:20:20.833
and then one of the servants wakes him up
and he's like, so anyway,

876e6c81-7462-4e63-a06b-f7f0a7224260-2
01:20:20.833 --> 01:20:24.000
your dead wife has been like dug up and
she wasn't dead.

570773c5-134c-4bbc-bbe0-eefcdb8fd76d-0
01:20:24.400 --> 01:20:26.680
And anyway, all her teeth are missing.

f3002edc-d68f-49e8-8f3a-636525690e0e-0
01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:30.520
And he opens this little container next
to him and it's full of her teeth.

e0661a98-2e52-47fc-a6e3-e4b14094b5e4-0
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:33.320
So he's like,
dug her up and pulled all her teeth out.

6d1878e1-e2f0-4d7a-8c9d-4dbbbba211ba-0
01:20:33.440 --> 01:20:34.320
And she wasn't dead.

900d5cf4-5675-4f36-ba7d-8410e58ea384-0
01:20:34.320 --> 01:20:37.384
She was herself,
like had an epileptic fit or was in,

900d5cf4-5675-4f36-ba7d-8410e58ea384-1
01:20:37.384 --> 01:20:40.222
you know,
a trance like stayed herself and wasn't

900d5cf4-5675-4f36-ba7d-8410e58ea384-2
01:20:40.222 --> 01:20:40.960
in fact dead.

b7813cb7-9d11-4a97-8110-f6eec88f0256-0
01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:42.520
So it's, it's incredibly creepy.

fc515250-7e96-4f32-a314-cbdf174b7f78-0
01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:44.751
It starts with her having this creepy
effect,

fc515250-7e96-4f32-a314-cbdf174b7f78-1
01:20:44.751 --> 01:20:47.760
but then he's the one who kind of is the
evil one in the end.

7917a4ba-51b8-4263-9502-49af2e4e9af8-0
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:50.204
So it, I don't know,
it's kind of beautiful the way he

7917a4ba-51b8-4263-9502-49af2e4e9af8-1
01:20:50.204 --> 01:20:50.960
describes things.

159d6a5a-f33a-40fc-8921-34fceb887ebf-0
01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:53.080
And it's definitely incredibly creepy.

1d779049-9965-49bf-9a8c-549344928946-0
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:55.945
But I don't know,
it's impressive to be able to creep

1d779049-9965-49bf-9a8c-549344928946-1
01:20:55.945 --> 01:20:56.440
people out.

8e74c3ef-b824-4e5f-9a05-a89083271d25-0
01:20:56.440 --> 01:20:57.920
I think it's hard to creep people.

d7288e09-92f9-48bc-853f-5957eb38e87e-0
01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:01.251
Yeah,
these days it's hard to kind of impress

d7288e09-92f9-48bc-853f-5957eb38e87e-1
01:21:01.251 --> 01:21:04.800
on someone enough to make them feel
creeped out.

9e2c5ab4-dd99-49d0-ba30-95744f0dc326-0
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:05.920
But he he achieved it.

a9c2bb50-3edf-41b7-874c-f274786c60ec-0
01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:06.200
I don't know.

2aa57026-31b0-44ee-84c6-205594f77ee6-0
01:21:06.200 --> 01:21:07.240
Why are teeth creepy?

df6a708e-7080-4adc-b50b-c96ab04c4cbb-0
01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:08.160
They are, though.

79aaca93-06a5-485c-bd44-5e8bce19f15c-0
01:21:08.160 --> 01:21:08.720
Well, they're bones.

87e7bd92-f012-4edc-9f58-b7e955d529f6-0
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:09.680
They're visible bones.

94e76dbb-00d8-4d54-8f75-f0494091232a-0
01:21:10.320 --> 01:21:11.400
Visible bones.

3efddb31-6c21-4130-9e42-14357c4fb41e-0
01:21:11.400 --> 01:21:12.840
Reminder that, like, there's a skull.

c22f5906-e03c-4d68-aab6-8bbbf7f306c5-0
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:17.120
Anyway,
we've all got skulls in our bodies.

ff782cef-1b2a-479a-bbfe-c7cc01f61be8-0
01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:18.520
So the next story.

11e73ff5-1612-4009-9c1c-2cd226e7c005-0
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:20.240
King Pest, did you read this one?

c3ecea66-18ef-44d4-b8fa-157ca6ddc4e7-0
01:21:20.360 --> 01:21:20.720
Yeah.

9bb00479-5ac2-42e9-9089-edee2d1c2f56-0
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:21.720
Also problematic.

44997773-1d2d-49b2-aa5c-85bb40098f0b-0
01:21:22.040 --> 01:21:22.560
Good fun.

31bad378-305f-440b-a5a5-19d98cef7336-0
01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:25.422
I mean, at this point,
I feel like I'm just giving a little bit

31bad378-305f-440b-a5a5-19d98cef7336-1
01:21:25.422 --> 01:21:27.960
of a summary and you can go and see which
ones interest you.

7f51caf3-dad6-4213-886c-554f70eb3241-0
01:21:28.360 --> 01:21:32.760
King Pest is about these two sailors who
go on.

3855caa9-8f57-4ec8-b3a1-a40679869d03-0
01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:36.480
They really liked hockey as well.

b8c86045-a2d2-49ce-b677-a873f8aab2af-0
01:21:36.480 --> 01:21:37.200
It was weird.

90cb6f52-e507-4152-83d9-ca0104cdef4e-0
01:21:37.200 --> 01:21:39.059
No,
it's about these two sailors who are on

90cb6f52-e507-4152-83d9-ca0104cdef4e-1
01:21:39.059 --> 01:21:42.440
land and they go to the pub and then they
can't pay for their beer or whatever.

37eb1f55-7d7c-4440-a4bf-e2ca21da996d-0
01:21:42.440 --> 01:21:46.838
And then they get chased out of the pub
and they get chased into this area that's

37eb1f55-7d7c-4440-a4bf-e2ca21da996d-1
01:21:46.838 --> 01:21:50.325
been like locked off because of,
I guess the plague or whatever,

37eb1f55-7d7c-4440-a4bf-e2ca21da996d-2
01:21:50.325 --> 01:21:51.720
whatever pestilence it is.

fa968464-9b8d-4eb5-a8b4-962a551b5898-0
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:55.027
So all the houses are abandoned and
you're not supposed to go down there,

fa968464-9b8d-4eb5-a8b4-962a551b5898-1
01:21:55.027 --> 01:21:57.680
but like they're drunk as **** and
they're just running around.

be060657-9d88-40ee-ad44-5c5e36c202b1-0
01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:58.960
They're like, whatever, we're fine.

2e3d4c86-27d1-4f80-9679-42d70c8927e3-0
01:21:59.440 --> 01:22:03.360
And there's like rotting corpses and the
houses are falling apart.

4ed6244d-8cf4-41a4-b3db-03bebbae66da-0
01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:08.405
Like you're getting this really rotting
vibe from the story and then they like

4ed6244d-8cf4-41a4-b3db-03bebbae66da-1
01:22:08.405 --> 01:22:13.131
bust into this house and there's just
this company of I think it's 6 like

4ed6244d-8cf4-41a4-b3db-03bebbae66da-2
01:22:13.131 --> 01:22:14.920
really ******* weird people.

d422dfa8-3a47-4625-aee7-d9cc739a3368-0
01:22:15.280 --> 01:22:19.960
And each of them has a very distinctive
feature about their face that is very

d422dfa8-3a47-4625-aee7-d9cc739a3368-1
01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:20.560
memorable.

a1628f73-80b2-449f-ac8b-889761701a01-0
01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:23.800
So one's got a really long and flexible
nose.

9abc97a5-d4eb-4aa5-9e90-989ae7b2c862-0
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.720
The other's got massive ears that pretty
much go up to the ceiling.

906ae441-c69a-40ea-9d51-dea9ad277265-0
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:30.000
One's got a mouth that's just like ripped
her face in half basically.

8c5de8d9-9c3c-4d44-a116-78c109d3685e-0
01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:33.760
And like her earring gets into her mouth
because it's so close to her ear.

660ef753-3e58-4a69-91be-e966ea29aef4-0
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:37.764
Like they've each just got these really
over exaggerated parts of their faces,

660ef753-3e58-4a69-91be-e966ea29aef4-1
01:22:37.764 --> 01:22:38.880
very creepy and weird.

f0535b95-faec-4b52-8125-44a7abba84d4-0
01:22:39.400 --> 01:22:43.411
And they're all just drunk and talking
about the wine and talking about, hey,

f0535b95-faec-4b52-8125-44a7abba84d4-1
01:22:43.411 --> 01:22:44.800
how come you guys are here?

fc20d1f6-04a9-4895-a9de-64cfaf8eb1cf-0
01:22:45.160 --> 01:22:46.640
This is our mate's place.

38e37991-c128-46ea-8262-66a8658d7e0b-0
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:48.800
Why you and our mate's place and all this
stuff?

7f8f8a6f-5fd6-47a4-9b4b-af5efcdc4119-0
01:22:49.160 --> 01:22:54.680
But like the weirdos there are like, no,
we are royalty and this is King pest and

7f8f8a6f-5fd6-47a4-9b4b-af5efcdc4119-1
01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:55.960
this is Queen pest.

bb0c1927-369f-45b0-a478-5f994b0e007f-0
01:22:55.960 --> 01:22:59.800
And we're all just like, this is our,
our realm basically.

5f299434-113a-4f76-a050-49739b3e0e32-0
01:23:00.280 --> 01:23:02.240
And there's really no point to the story.

f080e820-ba2e-4d8a-9f56-de847df829f2-0
01:23:02.240 --> 01:23:06.749
But basically like they Chuck one of the
sailors into like a barrel of wine or

f080e820-ba2e-4d8a-9f56-de847df829f2-1
01:23:06.749 --> 01:23:07.320
something.

5f3004ef-bcd3-473f-b79b-5f3ac838114a-0
01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:10.109
Like, it's like a punch,
like a punch bowl,

5f3004ef-bcd3-473f-b79b-5f3ac838114a-1
01:23:10.109 --> 01:23:13.347
but it's so big that he's fits in and
starts drowning,

5f3004ef-bcd3-473f-b79b-5f3ac838114a-2
01:23:13.347 --> 01:23:16.702
and then his mate comes in to save him
and tips it over,

5f3004ef-bcd3-473f-b79b-5f3ac838114a-3
01:23:16.702 --> 01:23:18.880
and then they all drown in the punch.

3a257a5c-6781-4da3-ba27-69a919dd76de-0
01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:19.280
All right.

1e3f9069-44d6-4483-89f5-08e26eed3c16-0
01:23:20.400 --> 01:23:25.484
So it's just completely bizarre,
completely just creepy and gross and

1e3f9069-44d6-4483-89f5-08e26eed3c16-1
01:23:25.484 --> 01:23:25.920
weird.

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01:23:26.280 --> 01:23:27.560
But, you know, I enjoyed it.

50e75091-b4f9-4e2b-b03a-2e4bbd4bb0d5-0
01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:31.765
So Chris's description for this is a
comedy so dark that Robert Louis

50e75091-b4f9-4e2b-b03a-2e4bbd4bb0d5-1
01:23:31.765 --> 01:23:35.446
Stevenson said that whoever could write
it had ceased to be human,

50e75091-b4f9-4e2b-b03a-2e4bbd4bb0d5-2
01:23:35.446 --> 01:23:37.040
which is just amazing praise.

b1bf3d35-a775-4676-8991-1bc0737390c4-0
01:23:37.280 --> 01:23:37.800
Yeah.

c3cc1530-29ca-407b-af0f-dc2e34d9a956-0
01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:38.760
Like, go for it.

aa4ba3f3-519a-4dd7-984a-c44057893327-0
01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:39.560
I mean, that's the thing.

661bd392-f46c-4c9a-8fbc-b8621f2f27ec-0
01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:43.360
It doesn't sound like it has any kind of
moral to it or any kind of to it.

617fd414-28e4-45d5-8af8-53eaf3c2668f-0
01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:44.840
It's just like, hey, watch this.

badd813e-2270-40c1-a5e8-3b8f8b4f7b35-0
01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.640
Yeah, this is ****** ** 100%.

9834ffa9-db64-4cf7-9a6e-2af2dbf163a4-0
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:49.920
That's exactly what it is,
and it's good fun.

6d90993e-8052-4da9-b7bc-82e04d0fc069-0
01:23:50.080 --> 01:23:53.240
So the next one I read on this list was
The Telltale Heart.

b3a7f910-3193-4e34-9c60-6a8b68ee19d2-0
01:23:53.240 --> 01:23:56.413
And actually this is the first one I read,
I think just to refamiliarize myself with

b3a7f910-3193-4e34-9c60-6a8b68ee19d2-1
01:23:56.413 --> 01:23:56.600
this.

3b763549-cff4-4244-958a-a9cbfa2b57b6-0
01:23:56.600 --> 01:24:00.812
And I realised I had read it as well as
just kind of absorbing the plot from The

3b763549-cff4-4244-958a-a9cbfa2b57b6-1
01:24:00.812 --> 01:24:01.280
Simpsons.

61e07bfb-6acb-460e-b1ba-6f5a0188d468-0
01:24:01.360 --> 01:24:04.078
Again,
The Simpsons references the diorama,

61e07bfb-6acb-460e-b1ba-6f5a0188d468-1
01:24:04.078 --> 01:24:07.600
but yeah, this was one again,
the single effect at work.

8928686c-9403-407f-92b6-930a02264b36-0
01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:11.537
And for me, like that sound,
it's it's the sound, it's the tapping,

8928686c-9403-407f-92b6-930a02264b36-1
01:24:11.537 --> 01:24:15.320
it's all of those things that kind of
really permeate that story.

4ce7487f-2346-4351-81ad-f43ca698ad23-0
01:24:15.360 --> 01:24:18.960
That story as well,
I feel is just such a solid concept.

264cc647-1879-4c20-b918-6f981fafd192-0
01:24:19.240 --> 01:24:22.560
Like it's just such a cohesive,
like it's memorable.

0580f478-7eb6-4a98-9518-89d72ce5f969-0
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:24.040
Yeah, cool idea.

80cec7eb-99e7-482c-a106-ee5cbe79089b-0
01:24:24.160 --> 01:24:26.200
You're like, well,
that's done now that idea.

40c38b95-0b64-4360-8f99-996afca8e1e3-0
01:24:26.200 --> 01:24:30.280
But this idea of being haunted by your
misdeeds.

66541f23-3f90-4692-8766-7a6bad8b404b-0
01:24:30.280 --> 01:24:33.717
Now, interestingly,
one of the stories in our Flesh fiction

66541f23-3f90-4692-8766-7a6bad8b404b-1
01:24:33.717 --> 01:24:34.520
Volume 1, yes.

c0d4addd-c94b-4776-aa08-88451d0d25ca-0
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:37.320
Is the Telltale ****.

30c681ee-5c99-4ea2-96ce-60717f3cbfa4-0
01:24:37.360 --> 01:24:43.040
Yes, and fashioned after this story,
but with a bit of a different intent.

ddb833f0-23a5-4efd-abc3-18f3f71b1d38-0
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:46.880
But I feel, you know,
similarly entertaining, Yes.

d49a626e-a279-465c-9ddc-7aa181919f25-0
01:24:47.160 --> 01:24:50.333
But you know,
the second story that we've spoken about

d49a626e-a279-465c-9ddc-7aa181919f25-1
01:24:50.333 --> 01:24:54.200
that involves someone or something being
bricked in behind a wall.

070e0f9d-9464-439a-b28c-55a70a64ba4e-0
01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:56.400
So was this a thing at the time?

a165da6e-ac8f-49b8-bdcd-b347bdaffbfc-0
01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:58.760
Is this like what you did or is this just
a Poe?

a0a8d26c-38ea-483a-bb9b-b5cd01ca183f-0
01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:02.080
I think there was a bit of a fixation
about being buried alive.

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01:25:02.280 --> 01:25:04.520
I think that was something people,
people were worried about.

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01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:08.611
Like you imagine now the things people
worry about because they're in the Daily

43a74d7d-cb37-49a1-9b77-12eef25e9619-1
01:25:08.611 --> 01:25:12.805
Mail or because they're being pushed by
Fox News or whatever as being like a real

43a74d7d-cb37-49a1-9b77-12eef25e9619-2
01:25:12.805 --> 01:25:13.880
and immediate threat.

a2d07e9c-da13-4a78-b6f3-79f9dd5c23d6-0
01:25:14.400 --> 01:25:17.508
And maybe at the time,
the idea of being buried alive was

a2d07e9c-da13-4a78-b6f3-79f9dd5c23d6-1
01:25:17.508 --> 01:25:21.636
something that the media and people in
general were kind of overthinking and

a2d07e9c-da13-4a78-b6f3-79f9dd5c23d6-2
01:25:21.636 --> 01:25:22.440
worrying about.

eb0687a7-ea04-4003-b9ab-56861d789208-0
01:25:22.440 --> 01:25:26.076
Yeah, it could have been,
but it also could have been legit because

eb0687a7-ea04-4003-b9ab-56861d789208-1
01:25:26.076 --> 01:25:30.246
the quality of doctors and, you know,
medical knowledge might have been like,

eb0687a7-ea04-4003-b9ab-56861d789208-2
01:25:30.246 --> 01:25:32.760
this person's dead and no, no,
they're asleep.

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01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:32.960
Just.

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01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:35.120
I was just really drunk.

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01:25:39.200 --> 01:25:39.840
Oh, dear.

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01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:40.280
Yeah.

c82c7c6c-734f-48c8-be8e-a40d47979a03-0
01:25:40.280 --> 01:25:43.005
Well, I mean,
clearly it was something that he thought

c82c7c6c-734f-48c8-be8e-a40d47979a03-1
01:25:43.005 --> 01:25:43.600
a lot about.

09044e8f-0f62-4602-bc57-d3f912b06537-0
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:45.680
So I think that had something to do with
that for sure.

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01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:51.240
All right, so the next one, the black cat,
again, another very brick story.

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01:25:51.280 --> 01:25:52.040
And yeah.

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01:25:52.160 --> 01:25:52.680
Yeah, right.

ddf4aefb-05d2-411e-996e-215e278baece-0
01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:53.040
Yeah.

a170fd74-7aa9-455d-b8fe-21e6ba616a7b-0
01:25:53.480 --> 01:25:55.600
I ******* love this story.

3408d442-3d81-4782-b8aa-fee706155c02-0
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:58.320
This was probably one of my top stories.

39564069-2de6-4ae8-a518-cbbbaecefa1a-0
01:25:58.320 --> 01:26:02.240
And you have a black cat and it scared
the **** out of me just earlier.

bcf8c6b1-82ca-4258-ae3a-ccbc1327735f-0
01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:06.360
The wall there, it did haunting me,
you might say.

c4e960bc-ebde-4e21-8e65-046efe518e7d-0
01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:09.560
And I don't want to ruin this one,
but it's really good.

988cdbaf-0a31-42c0-a079-23df699a52f1-0
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:10.840
This is really, really good.

b4092c65-7d07-455a-9b82-b663aa65a7f6-0
01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:16.906
What he did really well was this kind of
the idea of someone who's lost the plot

b4092c65-7d07-455a-9b82-b663aa65a7f6-1
01:26:16.906 --> 01:26:21.004
but believably like,
who's just kind of been swept away in

b4092c65-7d07-455a-9b82-b663aa65a7f6-2
01:26:21.004 --> 01:26:25.520
their own thoughts to the point where
they no longer make sense.

a26c745c-a65b-42a3-bc35-2c4bea550fbc-0
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:27.434
Yeah,
so he kills the cat and he's kind of

a26c745c-a65b-42a3-bc35-2c4bea550fbc-1
01:26:27.434 --> 01:26:28.280
****** ** about it.

2ccba19f-7be2-4294-872e-8a9f98b2ca44-0
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:33.280
But like, so we should because he just,
he, it was, he lost her.

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01:26:33.440 --> 01:26:34.680
He like really lost her.

f1670e64-862f-4658-9a90-b2d5c0932de1-0
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:36.480
He didn't just kind of accidentally
killed the cat.

9c39f443-8850-4661-b911-77a696a24b02-0
01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:41.360
He lost his mind and he aggressively and
very psychotically killed the cat.

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01:26:42.160 --> 01:26:42.600
He did.

c3b6d3cb-ba98-4756-8c48-d026367ab047-0
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.480
And it was,
it was kind of inexcusable what he did.

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01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:48.600
But also he had this weird, like,
jealous rage about the cat.

846aec40-a2a6-4139-97e3-fdd00b5b88eb-0
01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:49.880
He's like, **** you, cat.

580716ea-3b0e-4df7-9de6-6215d4f6e395-0
01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:52.760
Look at you the way you kind of look at
me.

f7c005b0-49fd-4245-87bd-2841b30dd850-0
01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:54.908
And yeah,
he's got really obsessed with it,

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01:26:54.908 --> 01:26:56.520
as if the cat was out to get him.

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01:26:56.520 --> 01:26:59.023
And he's like, yeah, well,
I'll show you who's boss kind of things

8cf99af8-ea07-41e8-9d21-872d9b1c979a-1
01:26:59.023 --> 01:26:59.360
like May.

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01:26:59.360 --> 01:27:00.080
It's a cat.

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01:27:00.080 --> 01:27:00.440
Yeah.

429da1f5-b415-4afc-b20d-fb878267e7cb-0
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:01.320
Or is it?

4a42b3ba-cfda-4cc8-9185-24f219625f08-0
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:05.569
I felt like PO lost me as a like you lost
yourself a customer,

4a42b3ba-cfda-4cc8-9185-24f219625f08-1
01:27:05.569 --> 01:27:10.800
you lost yourself A and someone who would
then like identify with the protagonist.

f219fca2-e996-48d7-9386-5c495ff8998e-0
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:13.000
It was just like, whoa, dude,
I don't know.

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01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:13.760
I I did.

ab41fe13-bd09-4007-8b75-840845414ddb-0
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:15.760
Are you identified?

acc32010-7123-4aee-ba36-d7f702e8f757-0
01:27:16.280 --> 01:27:17.120
I don't know.

ff3f47b0-73ce-42a8-ae5b-4c7780a921df-0
01:27:17.320 --> 01:27:20.520
I think he does a really great job of
making it feel real.

63724c53-526f-4d69-b241-e31c31e8a5a7-0
01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:22.520
You know, he just got carried away.

3f48b163-d368-42d1-82f0-5a88a1c9998e-0
01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:24.520
It was the opposite of a save the cat
moment.

06e4422c-f46a-4544-8238-7242db26f772-0
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:28.080
I felt both of that protagonist, though,
I was like, not on board.

8ee7688c-2a6d-4b52-a8bf-9f36c007ad48-0
01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:29.440
Got you.

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01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:30.040
Fair enough.

723d2e3c-65d8-47d3-bd04-30789324a699-0
01:27:30.240 --> 01:27:33.171
I mean, as the owner of a black cat,
I can see how that might have been a

723d2e3c-65d8-47d3-bd04-30789324a699-1
01:27:33.171 --> 01:27:34.360
little bit triggering for you.

b7f1707d-ffb5-4105-92ad-3d6dd2842f59-0
01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:35.120
Yes.

86072e1e-fb08-4ca6-9dd8-600a4636a215-0
01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:39.456
So the next story,
a descent into the maelstrom, which again,

86072e1e-fb08-4ca6-9dd8-600a4636a215-1
01:27:39.456 --> 01:27:43.520
atmospheric single effect focused on the
weather and the waves.

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01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:45.866
And,
and one thing I wanted to just mention

75eee55b-198d-4336-b5f0-ef91051ebd45-1
01:27:45.866 --> 01:27:48.640
about this story,
about all of post stories really,

75eee55b-198d-4336-b5f0-ef91051ebd45-2
01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:52.586
which is worth mentioning is the fact
that none of them, to my knowledge,

75eee55b-198d-4336-b5f0-ef91051ebd45-3
01:27:52.586 --> 01:27:55.840
unless I've missed something,
none of them are supernatural.

62f7f911-c853-4dae-aa5d-f4e80787720f-0
01:27:56.240 --> 01:27:58.240
They're all very grounded in reality.

a593e109-6d89-4415-b41c-2a8aaddc615e-0
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:01.419
And well,
I think there's a hint often of the

a593e109-6d89-4415-b41c-2a8aaddc615e-1
01:28:01.419 --> 01:28:04.950
supernatural,
but he's kind of made an allowance for it

a593e109-6d89-4415-b41c-2a8aaddc615e-2
01:28:04.950 --> 01:28:06.400
to be real or imagined.

acc6428c-1b29-4418-81a1-21b70434fd13-0
01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:08.965
You know, like for example,
in the black cat,

acc6428c-1b29-4418-81a1-21b70434fd13-1
01:28:08.965 --> 01:28:12.938
it's kind of suggested that the cat's
haunting him and coming back from the

acc6428c-1b29-4418-81a1-21b70434fd13-2
01:28:12.938 --> 01:28:13.200
dead.

e17d9cbc-74da-406e-9ac8-3f9dae2c3f73-0
01:28:13.200 --> 01:28:16.280
But you can imagine a real explanation
for that.

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01:28:16.280 --> 01:28:17.720
But the character believes it.

143727aa-117a-4892-bcdb-5275876a4d24-0
01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:20.809
The character believes it,
but like there's never a ghost and

143727aa-117a-4892-bcdb-5275876a4d24-1
01:28:20.809 --> 01:28:23.480
there's never a supernatural character in
the stories.

b6691975-0bd5-4281-b245-5bba0dfc6a71-0
01:28:23.480 --> 01:28:26.840
It's all it always comes back to reality
and always comes back to problem solving.

87a11861-f72a-474b-8baa-aa519e1b4158-0
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:30.876
But then there's like never bet the devil
your head and there's like a little devil

87a11861-f72a-474b-8baa-aa519e1b4158-1
01:28:30.876 --> 01:28:33.520
dude is like like, yeah,
you know that we touch on it.

a694f021-0276-4ab6-bc00-bb2d28b2bd31-0
01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:37.528
There's like it's possible that there's a
real world explanation,

a694f021-0276-4ab6-bc00-bb2d28b2bd31-1
01:28:37.528 --> 01:28:41.840
but it is also equally possible that
there's something extra going on.

3c1ff20b-b070-4016-9509-7322b787db99-0
01:28:42.280 --> 01:28:44.749
Look,
I feel like Poe was quite a sceptic

3c1ff20b-b070-4016-9509-7322b787db99-1
01:28:44.749 --> 01:28:48.160
reading his writing when it comes to
supernatural things.

750d1382-0f28-439a-bfd3-59b83138273c-0
01:28:48.480 --> 01:28:52.320
He comes across as someone who was
looking at things very logically,

750d1382-0f28-439a-bfd3-59b83138273c-1
01:28:52.320 --> 01:28:56.606
and it would have taken a fair bit to
push back on those prevailing ideas of

750d1382-0f28-439a-bfd3-59b83138273c-2
01:28:56.606 --> 01:29:00.280
the time and write these stories that are
strictly materialistic.

db50358f-6da8-424f-bf3b-905db41a4b6a-0
01:29:00.280 --> 01:29:03.320
Let's say, you know,
we're talking about horror stories.

a6850f03-b159-466c-8b04-db70e66aa6de-0
01:29:03.440 --> 01:29:07.317
They're not horror stories about ghosts,
and they're horror stories about horror

a6850f03-b159-466c-8b04-db70e66aa6de-1
01:29:07.317 --> 01:29:11.147
stories about people who've got really
******* massive eyeballs that are so big

a6850f03-b159-466c-8b04-db70e66aa6de-2
01:29:11.147 --> 01:29:12.680
that they're unbelievably large.

596c2680-5790-46b1-870b-517dc7afc171-0
01:29:13.200 --> 01:29:15.920
That's just a like a, you know,
freak show kind of idea.

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01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:17.640
You know what I mean?

8c298b66-c2ab-4a56-8e2e-bb9d831ef83f-0
01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:19.360
Like, I think there's a point to be made.

fd766bb5-5834-4941-beb9-56daefb089de-0
01:29:19.360 --> 01:29:23.584
And I think in horror, often in horror,
there is the tendency to lean into the

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01:29:23.584 --> 01:29:24.280
supernatural.

f6a57feb-f261-4cd1-85c1-ad2873f3f75f-0
01:29:24.280 --> 01:29:25.800
And that doesn't happen here.

8e66a6dc-3fa8-4658-a295-e8214da0dbb0-0
01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:30.176
It's as you say, like, yes,
you can say that there are references to

8e66a6dc-3fa8-4658-a295-e8214da0dbb0-1
01:29:30.176 --> 01:29:34.231
that being like an idea,
but there are always logical reasons that

8e66a6dc-3fa8-4658-a295-e8214da0dbb0-2
01:29:34.231 --> 01:29:35.200
are put forward.

8e00337f-4b44-4388-9899-5d63be9bfb0f-0
01:29:35.200 --> 01:29:40.750
And the characters do approach these
situations rationally and try to get out

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01:29:40.750 --> 01:29:41.320
of them.

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01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:42.960
Like the pit in the pendulum.

81755290-2f6a-464a-a62e-6db390117c0d-0
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:48.158
The character is basically like applying
scientific method to try and get out of

81755290-2f6a-464a-a62e-6db390117c0d-1
01:29:48.158 --> 01:29:53.420
his predicament of being in this pit as a
pendulum is trying to like slice him in

81755290-2f6a-464a-a62e-6db390117c0d-2
01:29:53.420 --> 01:29:54.640
very Indiana Jones.

cb3ef30a-718e-4dc0-a40f-d972022c6d84-0
01:29:54.920 --> 01:29:55.360
Yeah.

cb746d80-4ad7-4651-92f8-e935c75d8be7-0
01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:58.458
I mean,
unfortunately the end is a bit of a Deus

cb746d80-4ad7-4651-92f8-e935c75d8be7-1
01:29:58.458 --> 01:30:02.200
Ex machina where he's just like,
pulled out of the situation and.

89687956-3e22-4944-b989-9ca660cd0a17-0
01:30:02.280 --> 01:30:03.240
And so MacGyver.

e871349a-47f9-4a3b-ac78-d07f815ae537-0
01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:06.000
And it's so it's not,
it's not Indiana Jones, it's MacGyver.

ec2f03b1-54ee-4ee3-9464-6f58b2f33b4b-0
01:30:06.040 --> 01:30:08.938
Yeah, well,
he does he he does his best to to solve

ec2f03b1-54ee-4ee3-9464-6f58b2f33b4b-1
01:30:08.938 --> 01:30:11.280
the problem, but it is out of his control.

d2d76272-2091-4b99-9c92-f14d8084587c-0
01:30:11.280 --> 01:30:14.440
And luckily the last minute,
like someone's like, no, you're saved.

74e16d84-8fcf-452c-9b5d-692820684914-0
01:30:15.080 --> 01:30:17.289
But yeah,
overall I thought that was quite

74e16d84-8fcf-452c-9b5d-692820684914-1
01:30:17.289 --> 01:30:20.680
refreshing that a writer of this time was
so grounded in reality.

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01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:21.160
Hmm.

4c4b38e4-c34e-48b0-bc6f-b541fef8ca33-0
01:30:21.160 --> 01:30:24.248
So in addition to this list,
and I'm not sure that I published the

4c4b38e4-c34e-48b0-bc6f-b541fef8ca33-1
01:30:24.248 --> 01:30:26.921
full list from Chris,
I can't recall if I summarised it a

4c4b38e4-c34e-48b0-bc6f-b541fef8ca33-2
01:30:26.921 --> 01:30:29.272
little bit,
but what I did was because I was super

4c4b38e4-c34e-48b0-bc6f-b541fef8ca33-3
01:30:29.272 --> 01:30:30.840
busy, I'm like, you forgot to eat.

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01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:32.720
I totally forgot to eat, first of all.

8cddfca8-cfca-4ade-af90-920f8717f191-0
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:36.390
And second of all,
I started listening to a podcast where

8cddfca8-cfca-4ade-af90-920f8717f191-1
01:30:36.390 --> 01:30:41.200
this guy was doing some readings of Poe's
work, so I strongly recommend it.

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01:30:41.200 --> 01:30:42.160
I really enjoyed it.

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01:30:42.160 --> 01:30:43.320
Doesn't have everything.

79f35270-3613-4b26-9e88-005f49e460c3-0
01:30:43.360 --> 01:30:47.800
It is called the Complete Works of Edgar
Allan Poe and I found it on Spotify and

79f35270-3613-4b26-9e88-005f49e460c3-1
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:50.760
it's read by **** Barr,
which is an interesting name.

be9f5190-030f-4b89-b0e0-19d531e0991a-0
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:54.480
Sorry **** but I really enjoyed his voice.

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01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:55.560
He's American.

80ec8e69-541d-405c-9c2b-4d25d15a1d71-0
01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:58.000
And can we get **** Barr to read Telltale
****?

c66783da-432d-4d88-bb85-f5dc0fa83ce5-0
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:00.800
I'll have to ask him.

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01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:04.840
He's like a real estate agent or
something.

77736f6e-6677-4081-bafc-2cbdbdd5c85c-0
01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:09.463
And I was listening to a bunch of the
stories and I listened to and really

77736f6e-6677-4081-bafc-2cbdbdd5c85c-1
01:31:09.463 --> 01:31:11.560
enjoyed The Mask of the Red Death.

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01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:14.894
So Black Cat was one of them,
but the Mask of the Red Death was another

3358a51e-58ef-44d3-b5b5-20a0354e3695-1
01:31:14.894 --> 01:31:15.080
one.

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01:31:15.080 --> 01:31:18.720
And Oh my God, that story is so good.

6e0fad6b-13c8-410b-a261-8295af1aa79c-0
01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:24.365
And especially in this era of like we've
post COVID times and all this stuff and

6e0fad6b-13c8-410b-a261-8295af1aa79c-1
01:31:24.365 --> 01:31:29.453
just rich versus poor and all of these
ideas just coming into the again,

6e0fad6b-13c8-410b-a261-8295af1aa79c-2
01:31:29.453 --> 01:31:34.053
like not really a revenge tale,
but I guess himself as the author

6e0fad6b-13c8-410b-a261-8295af1aa79c-3
01:31:34.053 --> 01:31:39.560
imagining like this untimely death of
maybe someone who represented the elite.

586deffc-d85a-416a-a280-1c4a3fd1cdf7-0
01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:43.720
And it's just again,
really messed up and just so vibey.

86b7d71c-4d8c-4abf-b226-47bcdb4ee8b8-0
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:45.960
It feels like you're it's very cinematic.

40568a5b-a0f5-44ea-9f77-485396a1cee3-0
01:31:46.360 --> 01:31:50.120
You feel like you're in the room and it's
very visual.

9d8852f9-f378-42db-8900-54fde7321501-0
01:31:50.120 --> 01:31:52.241
You know,
it talks about these different rooms and

9d8852f9-f378-42db-8900-54fde7321501-1
01:31:52.241 --> 01:31:55.320
the different colours and the stained
glass and the the light shining in.

8f8d9a19-ac41-4234-b6b9-fc063376d941-0
01:31:55.320 --> 01:31:58.274
And it's just completely an experience to
read it,

8f8d9a19-ac41-4234-b6b9-fc063376d941-1
01:31:58.274 --> 01:32:00.360
but also a really fascinating story.

4779460f-82f4-487e-8d25-23fcb28e3fc5-0
01:32:00.360 --> 01:32:03.120
So I really strongly recommend The Mask
of the Red Death as well.

115d1657-af35-455f-b5c5-7067068102a4-0
01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:07.853
He also read some poems and one of the
ones that's memorable to me just by the

115d1657-af35-455f-b5c5-7067068102a4-1
01:32:07.853 --> 01:32:09.560
title alone is called The Bells.

281caba1-4a04-4793-8307-ee9d4bb34d3f-0
01:32:10.080 --> 01:32:12.600
And it's incredibly repetitive, this poem.

5defce21-c5a7-4961-863a-ece60095e8e7-0
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:18.407
But what's interesting about it is how he
mimics the sound of church bells through

5defce21-c5a7-4961-863a-ece60095e8e7-1
01:32:18.407 --> 01:32:22.280
his language in the poem and church bells
very repetitive.

3f4c1d85-e7de-4d3a-9932-4f83c16adb17-0
01:32:22.600 --> 01:32:26.604
But does this experience as if you're
listening to Bell's chiming while you're

3f4c1d85-e7de-4d3a-9932-4f83c16adb17-1
01:32:26.604 --> 01:32:27.720
listening to the poem.

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01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.832
And I think that's,
it's not one of my favourites by any

1d378322-bfdc-47c0-a61a-c1ca73955810-1
01:32:30.832 --> 01:32:35.036
means of his poems, but it's a very,
very interesting effect that he creates

1d378322-bfdc-47c0-a61a-c1ca73955810-2
01:32:35.036 --> 01:32:37.602
with the language and well worth
listening to,

1d378322-bfdc-47c0-a61a-c1ca73955810-3
01:32:37.602 --> 01:32:39.240
probably more so than reading.

1f86da05-475f-4299-9646-554631c22043-0
01:32:39.240 --> 01:32:43.400
And I do think Poe's work really lends
itself to the audio format.

2738ba1e-3a55-40a8-8cab-f50ae25134bb-0
01:32:43.400 --> 01:32:44.720
I do think we should read 1.

55e1e094-1595-46b5-934c-e3695a2c4147-0
01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:49.013
So I think the best story to read is The
Cask of a Monteado,

55e1e094-1595-46b5-934c-e3695a2c4147-1
01:32:49.013 --> 01:32:50.640
referencing a few times.

e25d8d24-5573-45b3-8006-0966c8cfaeac-0
01:32:51.240 --> 01:32:54.951
If we're talking about effect,
The Cask of a Monteado is probably the

e25d8d24-5573-45b3-8006-0966c8cfaeac-1
01:32:54.951 --> 01:32:55.800
one that got me.

a49e0974-50d4-4dee-a391-f6319cc4811b-0
01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:57.560
Yeah, more than most.

754dc927-e11a-4352-b81a-1e47dd110af2-0
01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:01.600
And you've drawn the the straw,
the long or the short.

1d979d80-c539-41ec-b254-2aed8963d6f0-0
01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:02.480
You decide.

ef6c0257-5b55-4165-868c-168b3c216cb4-0
01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:03.560
Will you help me?

f19a349e-1645-4e4b-bf18-743ccb2f9156-0
01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:04.960
Will you play Fortunato?

4184a55d-3c97-4044-97fa-e00a14bd6e0d-0
01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:07.320
Yeah, I'll play the the ********.

9524a1b1-b8ec-48ba-a509-39123584ff42-0
01:33:07.400 --> 01:33:07.600
Yeah.

3e17a5e2-e749-4fc7-8778-3ae23eedc68e-0
01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:09.080
Alright.

3d1845f6-e403-4a74-bc3a-f1c74abc6b30-0
01:33:09.080 --> 01:33:11.480
I can just live out my little revenge
fantasy on you now.

8d87f71a-dc23-48a0-aa5e-2f8f3d3a69aa-0
01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:11.920
Great.

b5482ea7-082a-4adc-b3ea-972121756845-0
01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:16.461
Alright,
so here is The Cask of a Monteado by

b5482ea7-082a-4adc-b3ea-972121756845-1
01:33:16.461 --> 01:33:17.680
Edgar Allan Poe.

a9e0fd22-7ac6-4cb4-a4b3-fe61de44b148-0
01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:40.501
The 1000 injuries of Fortunato I had
borne as best I could,

a9e0fd22-7ac6-4cb4-a4b3-fe61de44b148-1
01:33:40.501 --> 01:33:45.120
but when he ventured upon insult I vowed
revenge.

4cb10784-faac-4b54-a6b0-b7ba19cce7de-0
01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:49.432
You,
who so well know the nature of my soul,

4cb10784-faac-4b54-a6b0-b7ba19cce7de-1
01:33:49.432 --> 01:33:53.280
will not suppose, however,
that I gave utterance to a threat.

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01:33:54.400 --> 01:33:57.040
At length I would be avenged.

f47d7f72-52b1-47e3-bf12-e2f361680098-0
01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:02.954
This was a point definitively settled,
but the very definitiveness with which it

f47d7f72-52b1-47e3-bf12-e2f361680098-1
01:34:02.954 --> 01:34:05.480
was resolved precluded the idea of risk.

6821aa02-a6f9-4e1c-b785-34cd465472ff-0
01:34:06.440 --> 01:34:11.400
I must not only punish,
but punish with impunity.

0adaa788-829c-44a1-900c-3de4037ebf40-0
01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:14.720
A wrong is unredressed.

1e45a245-99e3-48cd-b283-68bcf18a55f7-0
01:34:15.200 --> 01:34:21.482
When retribution overtakes its redressal,
it is equally unredressed when the

1e45a245-99e3-48cd-b283-68bcf18a55f7-1
01:34:21.482 --> 01:34:27.520
avenger fails to make himself felt as
such to him who has done the wrong.

9ba79539-78fa-4574-b48c-54f943b3b25c-0
01:34:29.280 --> 01:34:35.401
It must be understood that neither by
word nor deed had I given fortunate her

9ba79539-78fa-4574-b48c-54f943b3b25c-1
01:34:35.401 --> 01:34:37.520
cause to doubt my goodwill.

4b857573-dd62-4c62-a3fe-6cd964a28612-0
01:34:39.080 --> 01:34:43.549
I continued, as was my want,
to smile in his face,

4b857573-dd62-4c62-a3fe-6cd964a28612-1
01:34:43.549 --> 01:34:50.560
and he did not perceive that my smile now
was at the thought of his immolation.

4e6dc9fc-161a-4ccf-88cf-c4b7c275b404-0
01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:59.560
He had a weak point, this Fortunato,
although in other regards he was a man to

4e6dc9fc-161a-4ccf-88cf-c4b7c275b404-1
01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:04.916
be respected and even feared,
he prided himself on his connoisseurship

4e6dc9fc-161a-4ccf-88cf-c4b7c275b404-2
01:35:04.916 --> 01:35:05.520
in wine.

af262169-90ee-4d69-926d-fce74fd4a9e1-0
01:35:06.480 --> 01:35:09.600
Few Italians have the true virtuoso
spirit.

28c8b398-6923-4b0e-9e54-e6a76e07fedd-0
01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:16.451
For the most part their enthusiasm is
adopted to suit the time and opportunity

28c8b398-6923-4b0e-9e54-e6a76e07fedd-1
01:35:16.451 --> 01:35:22.268
to practise imposture upon the British
and Austrian millionaires in painting,

28c8b398-6923-4b0e-9e54-e6a76e07fedd-2
01:35:22.268 --> 01:35:26.520
and Jameree Fortunato,
like his countrymen, was a quack.

c95d2c00-e3f8-4252-b4df-dbf437ff533c-0
01:35:27.400 --> 01:35:29.960
But in the matter of old wines he was
sincere.

02445c1e-97ea-4daa-aa61-efd5f6eb8f05-0
01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:33.840
In this respect I did not differ from him
materially.

56e090f1-43aa-478c-9d84-135a3e64bf8e-0
01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:41.232
I was skilful in the Italian vintages
myself and bought largely whenever I

56e090f1-43aa-478c-9d84-135a3e64bf8e-1
01:35:41.232 --> 01:35:41.760
could.

0a277e0e-51ea-43d4-af42-73f301709f10-0
01:35:52.240 --> 01:35:56.137
It was about dusk, 1 evening,
during the supreme madness of the

0a277e0e-51ea-43d4-af42-73f301709f10-1
01:35:56.137 --> 01:35:59.000
carnival season,
that I encountered my friend.

519c6603-3e4e-4f14-843d-1ab2cd5326af-0
01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:04.840
He accosted me with excessive warmth,
for he had been drinking much.

2c0f65d7-1bda-4199-aa99-e73cbb766b10-0
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:07.320
The man wore motley.

b160242d-eebc-4f19-b811-b0b94919b78b-0
01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:12.631
He had on a tight fitting party stripe
dress and his head was surmounted by the

b160242d-eebc-4f19-b811-b0b94919b78b-1
01:36:12.631 --> 01:36:13.960
conical cap and bells.

70562c29-cc50-40b4-8c06-733266738191-0
01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:18.507
I was so pleased to see him that I
thought I should never have done wringing

70562c29-cc50-40b4-8c06-733266738191-1
01:36:18.507 --> 01:36:18.960
his hand.

a1a1adbf-5dd1-4055-9d12-1863555225c4-0
01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:23.800
I said to him, My dear Fortunato,
you are luckily met.

27d5303d-0932-46e2-91b8-05ab0707663c-0
01:36:24.040 --> 01:36:26.520
How remarkably well you are looking today.

2abbf3e8-6f9d-4d70-a266-72fc248a9064-0
01:36:27.160 --> 01:36:32.640
But I have received a pipe of what passes
for a monteado, and I have my doubts.

f4ef1eae-8d25-48a7-8ff8-14c88df4426a-0
01:36:33.320 --> 01:36:36.320
How, said he, A monteado?

0025ee10-d41b-4f72-93bf-fd56f6303a3f-0
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:37.480
A pipe?

eacb921e-fa49-4d3f-a3eb-4f1d21e181c3-0
01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:38.760
Impossible.

62166eb9-d044-42ff-be9c-6336575e8e9a-0
01:36:39.200 --> 01:36:40.680
And in the middle of the carnival?

ebdae3a4-fcaf-4de2-839d-be96c35c19ab-0
01:36:41.440 --> 01:36:43.840
I have my doubts, I replied.

2067f5b9-0a63-4781-98a5-36dc0d44b3c0-0
01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:49.156
And I was silly enough to pay the full la
monteado price without consulting you in

2067f5b9-0a63-4781-98a5-36dc0d44b3c0-1
01:36:49.156 --> 01:36:49.760
the matter.

b1f3fcb5-fff5-4b15-9d65-3acfe369a1ac-0
01:36:50.240 --> 01:36:53.880
You were not to be found,
and I was fearful of losing a bargain.

cf694e11-c39f-4c53-ba73-7d4323094922-0
01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:58.120
A monteado, I have my doubts.

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01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:02.400
A monteado, and I must satisfy them.

6300a2fd-e98f-4b59-83d1-f4d947f62e9d-0
01:37:03.240 --> 01:37:04.880
A monteado?

2ba73dce-40e6-4916-a37d-6d9fbd1f3657-0
01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:07.040
As you're engaged.

7fa9ea36-05b5-42f0-b9d6-5fd176d2647b-0
01:37:07.040 --> 01:37:08.560
I'm on my way to Lucasie.

77ec69d7-b532-4e6e-b779-f2f7224d71a0-0
01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:11.440
If anyone has a critical turn, it is he.

9065f443-e30c-4bb2-8c4d-032569f8636c-0
01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:15.814
He will tell me Lukasey cannot tell a
monteado from Sherry,

9065f443-e30c-4bb2-8c4d-032569f8636c-1
01:37:15.814 --> 01:37:20.440
and yet some fools will have it that his
taste is a match for your own.

e9cba860-d7f7-42f9-8185-208a90b559f7-0
01:37:21.040 --> 01:37:22.640
Come, let us go.

887ffc6b-b18f-46a6-b013-f1b3b7cb5251-0
01:37:23.160 --> 01:37:23.640
Whither?

4bab8cdd-ab9a-481d-be64-c56be4ae12ed-0
01:37:24.320 --> 01:37:26.360
To your vaults, my friend.

2c834413-f7b8-4416-ac62-5545000ba7a9-0
01:37:26.360 --> 01:37:28.800
No,
I will not impose upon your good nature.

fa74275e-ff56-4e75-8174-96f9db5111a1-0
01:37:29.400 --> 01:37:32.320
I perceive you have an engagement,
Lukasey.

f81fdf29-2c9c-43af-b3f8-ae14b40533ac-0
01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:34.080
I have no engagement.

2c91d06b-ea9b-413d-a4a0-dfacdaa5ac3f-0
01:37:34.280 --> 01:37:37.657
Come, my friend, No,
it is not the engagement,

2c91d06b-ea9b-413d-a4a0-dfacdaa5ac3f-1
01:37:37.657 --> 01:37:42.040
but the severe cold with which I perceive
you are afflicted.

24fbee08-5ec9-4f4d-b3a4-6c25bfa02ac3-0
01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:44.960
The faults are insufferably damp.

befd0d8a-2a79-4857-bbe3-ad114e7b9ca1-0
01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.200
They are encrusted with Nita.

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01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:48.440
Let us go.

f592bdb3-8cc1-48c2-85e3-36657ba59bd6-0
01:37:48.440 --> 01:37:49.440
Nevertheless.

59d094ce-2543-4d37-86da-1dd4f51dcf73-0
01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:52.200
The cold is merely nothing.

10df30ea-49e8-498b-b912-b659187071df-0
01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:56.840
A monteado you have been imposed upon.

d40b89f1-83a9-4f89-8eac-16a9e2db939d-0
01:37:57.080 --> 01:38:01.536
And As for Lucchesi,
he cannot distinguish Sherry from a

d40b89f1-83a9-4f89-8eac-16a9e2db939d-1
01:38:01.536 --> 01:38:02.240
monteado.

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01:38:03.400 --> 01:38:06.937
Thus speaking,
Fortunato possessed himself of my arm,

0539fe55-bf66-4cc7-8fec-2805e9c504bc-1
01:38:06.937 --> 01:38:11.784
putting on a mask of black silk,
and drawing a rock a layer closely about

0539fe55-bf66-4cc7-8fec-2805e9c504bc-2
01:38:11.784 --> 01:38:12.440
my person.

404292b2-4354-42ae-9381-9f13e8ce3734-0
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:15.080
I suffered him to hurry me to my palazzo.

1012f685-cb67-4beb-8641-49124a724ec6-0
01:38:26.440 --> 01:38:28.040
There were no attendants at home.

9ebc7d78-4ab3-46d0-8e16-0f778443cd0c-0
01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:31.680
They had absconded to make Mary in honour
of the time.

396fbafd-8815-4a56-80a9-0548b5df85ce-0
01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:35.817
I had told them that I should not return
until the morning,

396fbafd-8815-4a56-80a9-0548b5df85ce-1
01:38:35.817 --> 01:38:39.280
and had given them explicit orders not to
stir from the house.

b18ccb8b-4130-4cd7-93fd-c07b35953d51-0
01:38:40.080 --> 01:38:45.334
These orders were sufficient, I well knew,
to ensure their immediate disappearance,

b18ccb8b-4130-4cd7-93fd-c07b35953d51-1
01:38:45.334 --> 01:38:45.960
1 and all.

8fc78f3b-5af2-45fa-b01b-f550ab6f74c8-0
01:38:46.400 --> 01:38:51.222
As soon as my back was turned,
I took from their sconces to Flambeau,

8fc78f3b-5af2-45fa-b01b-f550ab6f74c8-1
01:38:51.222 --> 01:38:56.044
and, giving 1 to Fortunato,
bowed him through several suites of rooms

8fc78f3b-5af2-45fa-b01b-f550ab6f74c8-2
01:38:56.044 --> 01:38:58.800
to the archway that led into the vaults.

28d9081b-042a-4776-a0ad-9f6390c66808-0
01:38:59.920 --> 01:39:02.736
I passed down a long and winding
staircase,

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01:39:02.736 --> 01:39:05.680
requesting him to be cautious as he
followed.

c0868596-7d5c-490c-a072-8c6a9119ff1f-0
01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:10.449
We came at length to the foot of the
descent,

c0868596-7d5c-490c-a072-8c6a9119ff1f-1
01:39:10.449 --> 01:39:15.160
and stood together on the damp ground of
the catacombs of the Montressors.

804b517a-4378-48e1-80b1-a1efb24b7f8d-0
01:39:28.360 --> 01:39:34.432
The gate of my friend was unsteady,
and the bells upon his cap jingled as he

804b517a-4378-48e1-80b1-a1efb24b7f8d-1
01:39:34.432 --> 01:39:36.640
strode of the pipe, Said he.

53861fc2-fe43-4a44-b7fe-940a2b7cf811-0
01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:43.006
It is farther on, said I,
but observe the white web work which

53861fc2-fe43-4a44-b7fe-940a2b7cf811-1
01:39:43.006 --> 01:39:45.600
gleams from these cabin walls.

a62eb180-3148-4167-b268-84cf4492854f-0
01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:52.211
He turned towards me and looked into my
eyes with two filmy orbs that distilled

a62eb180-3148-4167-b268-84cf4492854f-1
01:39:52.211 --> 01:39:53.840
the room of intoxication.

7d55989d-c3e1-4748-b9f0-b3fae7421eb9-0
01:39:57.040 --> 01:39:59.520
Knighter, he asked at length.

379a15fb-a890-4462-a756-cc9038a3eb10-0
01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:02.440
Knighter, I replied.

22ec9e8c-1f54-4a48-bb2e-5ab53ec175e7-0
01:40:03.120 --> 01:40:05.000
How long have you had that cough?

f53932f2-3515-41aa-8d0e-5521e289f83a-0
01:40:10.200 --> 01:40:14.240
My poor friend found it impossible to
reply for many minutes.

b4ae9c75-f14e-485d-a676-416b6863fd4e-0
01:40:16.080 --> 01:40:19.040
It's nothing, he said at last.

7ab51898-492e-4b32-9eef-3f5437364095-0
01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:23.960
Come, I said with decision,
we will go back.

b7ce06ce-4134-476b-a98d-6bf2f8aef14a-0
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:26.360
Your health is precious.

62bb6d42-6384-4b65-ad06-d593f56a8308-0
01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:33.200
You are rich, respected, admired, beloved.

a4376578-0bde-421a-9f9e-5fb91a960038-0
01:40:34.080 --> 01:40:36.600
You are happy as once I was.

0622c1f8-77e1-4a01-8143-bf8f8da031a3-0
01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:39.360
You are a man to be missed.

d9da656d-2f15-44fe-a88d-225efe1823e3-0
01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:42.840
For me it is no matter.

9a0a01e9-7cb0-4a28-b157-44177f4aeb9d-0
01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:44.520
We will go back.

c8cc72f5-8186-4003-80b5-9d20f6f10b85-0
01:40:45.240 --> 01:40:47.760
You will be ill and I cannot be
responsible.

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01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:54.960
Besides, there is lucase enough, he said.

2d81b98d-9132-4618-a504-d935ccdb289e-0
01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:57.640
The cough is is a mere nothing.

bf8e2123-4b96-4bfd-9b28-f14f0f9b6d8b-0
01:40:58.080 --> 01:40:59.040
It will not kill me.

a55964d9-7623-4ee1-9b8f-6d3d1dcf8723-0
01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:01.240
I shall not die of a cough.

0373bf26-e21f-4e56-a187-4159352f67d6-0
01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:09.138
True, true, I replied,
and indeed I had no intention of alarming

0373bf26-e21f-4e56-a187-4159352f67d6-1
01:41:09.138 --> 01:41:10.960
you unnecessarily.

039aac6e-9157-4b5f-ae02-fd163bd42ef1-0
01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:14.080
But you should use all proper caution.

c8c90014-5ae7-48c3-994e-a8e624a56012-0
01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:18.000
A draught of this Medoc will defend us
from the damps.

90d0686e-d3ca-4ec1-a698-ef984f8780ab-0
01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:22.659
Here I knocked off the neck of a bottle,
which I drew from a long row of its

90d0686e-d3ca-4ec1-a698-ef984f8780ab-1
01:41:22.659 --> 01:41:24.280
fellows that lay upon the mould.

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01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:29.080
Drink, I said, presenting him the wine.

af91911e-1a08-423b-9d40-c90a64a95a4f-0
01:41:30.280 --> 01:41:32.520
He raised it to his lips with a leer.

becaa2fd-38a7-423b-846d-0bc301d9ca76-0
01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:39.240
He paused and nodded to me familiarly
while his bells jingled.

b4ca88de-65a6-4e4b-ae1d-c7f552d57105-0
01:41:41.760 --> 01:41:50.253
I drink, he said to the buried,
that repose around us,

b4ca88de-65a6-4e4b-ae1d-c7f552d57105-1
01:41:50.253 --> 01:41:53.960
and I to your long life.

cd39e3a7-e67e-479f-86f6-da78666f4df9-0
01:41:55.880 --> 01:41:58.360
He again took my arm and we proceeded.

bd0a494f-9193-4db4-9eb6-9ceee4a2fe20-0
01:41:59.240 --> 01:42:02.640
These vaults, he said, are extensive.

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01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:06.560
The Montresors, I replied.

fe4fead2-83ee-4bd0-a215-b07c718d53b5-0
01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:09.440
We're a great and numerous family.

a4c134b1-1797-4229-8adf-d3622af844c4-0
01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:12.120
I forget your arms.

ed5c89c8-c4a3-4b20-9682-bee8e6300f3b-0
01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:19.336
A huge human foot door in a field Azure,
the foot crushes a serpent rampant,

ed5c89c8-c4a3-4b20-9682-bee8e6300f3b-1
01:42:19.336 --> 01:42:22.400
whose fangs are embedded in the heel.

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01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.840
And the motto Nemo me and Pune la sesset.

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01:42:29.280 --> 01:42:30.840
Good, he said.

41077f23-ff72-4354-a6a8-682de94057a2-0
01:42:32.200 --> 01:42:36.520
The wine sparkled in his eyes and the
bells jingled.

dd8d7336-6090-4fbc-8455-342e5f0f56ae-0
01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:40.440
My own fancy grew warm with the Medoc.

3ff977d6-f1ee-46a5-92a2-1f027f7b8118-0
01:42:42.080 --> 01:42:44.845
We had passed through walls of piled
bones,

3ff977d6-f1ee-46a5-92a2-1f027f7b8118-1
01:42:44.845 --> 01:42:50.000
with casts and puncheons intermingling
into the inmost recesses of the catacombs.

6a05ceed-e19d-44de-a31d-f9e386256bbb-0
01:42:51.240 --> 01:42:55.226
I paused again,
and this time I made bold to seize

6a05ceed-e19d-44de-a31d-f9e386256bbb-1
01:42:55.226 --> 01:42:58.040
Fortunato by an arm above the elbow.

1906dd44-9877-4865-8534-0fc4d315e6d8-0
01:42:59.320 --> 01:43:00.760
The nighter, I said.

ff78655b-45c0-4012-a07e-3838bb1d8f85-0
01:43:01.240 --> 01:43:01.760
See.

914923da-fc25-482d-9120-11543e245d9d-0
01:43:02.320 --> 01:43:03.240
It increases.

9722968a-8d67-42e3-a36d-222dd2193128-0
01:43:03.240 --> 01:43:05.400
It hangs like Moss upon the vaults.

4a3ab472-767e-48bc-9a1c-54dfa44dc4b9-0
01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:07.200
We are below the river's bed.

78302b21-5564-40ae-b979-23c568acdc82-0
01:43:07.480 --> 01:43:10.080
The drops of moisture trickle among the
bones.

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01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:12.880
Come, we will go back here.

e99b5c5a-b0e6-4182-9516-da3612435b26-0
01:43:12.880 --> 01:43:13.920
It is too late.

08f7ee7f-df86-495e-9311-0b840227c668-0
01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:14.800
Your cough.

b2e3d160-1a2a-4ab7-bb10-bd211ac1cbfe-0
01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:17.880
It's nothing, he said.

daf9636f-f79f-4aa6-b118-422416ec08e8-0
01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:19.520
Let us go on.

3c1f8392-2a22-4199-bf60-ca643fca4260-0
01:43:20.080 --> 01:43:23.200
But first another draught of the Medoc.

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01:43:24.280 --> 01:43:26.200
I broke and reached him.

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01:43:26.200 --> 01:43:27.680
A flisson of de grave.

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01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:30.960
He emptied it out of breath.

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01:43:34.040 --> 01:43:36.400
His eyes flashed with a fierce light.

795b674c-ed0c-4030-afb5-9434a970bd26-0
01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:40.040
He laughed and threw the bottle upwards
with a gesticulation.

d3a7137d-01bd-40b5-91ec-ce09423eb18a-0
01:43:40.040 --> 01:43:41.480
I did not understand.

8bea33a9-1e1d-4d76-a493-f54d4eefe19a-0
01:43:42.200 --> 01:43:43.920
I looked at him in surprise.

816f9b8a-d6aa-40cc-b390-42428b7e1b4a-0
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:47.640
He repeated the movement, a grotesque one.

1360d939-dcc4-4eed-83ea-122cc07c187e-0
01:43:48.320 --> 01:43:49.720
Do you not comprehend?

843cf0ed-0077-476b-8856-a7016ff2d96e-0
01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:50.640
He said.

b6983ca2-2029-4dd1-a1f5-fb8a43f17847-0
01:43:51.240 --> 01:43:53.320
Not I, I replied.

a5466cef-7a8e-4510-8047-43f1249105d4-0
01:43:53.920 --> 01:43:55.720
Then you are not of the Brotherhood.

12038d9e-8991-41f1-a533-a5ee3d408801-0
01:43:56.400 --> 01:43:57.040
How?

17f516ba-ed22-430b-9e65-449d9320a50e-0
01:43:57.560 --> 01:43:59.080
You're not of the Masons?

39fd880b-192c-4e70-9187-6e457b478b8a-0
01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:01.600
Yes, yes, I said.

9b6aca1a-e78c-45d2-9927-9c6b142138a6-0
01:44:02.200 --> 01:44:05.600
Yes, yes, you impossible.

6079b6f6-d77e-4e1d-bd60-fcbab280a665-0
01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:06.360
A Mason.

09f2eb27-7072-46e5-87ec-97862b6536bb-0
01:44:07.040 --> 01:44:09.080
A Mason, I replied.

676a38a4-7c14-4603-8e04-fc3dd6c349f1-0
01:44:09.080 --> 01:44:11.080
A sign, he said.

5101c466-b319-4bd2-baa8-5d0b83398bb4-0
01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:15.899
It is this, I answered,
producing A trowel from beneath the folds

5101c466-b319-4bd2-baa8-5d0b83398bb4-1
01:44:15.899 --> 01:44:16.840
of my rocalier.

fcb47029-8f10-4ba3-beb9-dad3854bddff-0
01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:22.120
You jest, he exclaimed,
recoiling a few paces.

43b7316e-6200-4d64-a04f-4cc36eabfb65-0
01:44:23.480 --> 01:44:27.520
But let us proceed to the Amontillado.

de4316dc-030b-465f-bba9-79cbda110040-0
01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:33.270
Be it so, I said,
replacing the tool beneath the cloak and

de4316dc-030b-465f-bba9-79cbda110040-1
01:44:33.270 --> 01:44:35.240
again offering him my arm.

ccc784a2-d262-4b1c-9f06-a41bf7d8c6b1-0
01:44:36.240 --> 01:44:37.880
He leaned upon it heavily.

9b11b405-3541-4f13-9dad-361eee46a6d1-0
01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:41.360
We continued our route in search of the
Amontillado.

7e14f05f-95f6-44d1-adb7-0e12af6c2d9f-0
01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:47.666
We passed through a range of low arches,
descended, passed on,

7e14f05f-95f6-44d1-adb7-0e12af6c2d9f-1
01:44:47.666 --> 01:44:52.412
and descending again,
arrived at a deep crypt in which the

7e14f05f-95f6-44d1-adb7-0e12af6c2d9f-2
01:44:52.412 --> 01:44:57.640
foulness of the air caused our flambo
rather to glow than flame.

72f3209c-61cc-492e-9c5b-415a5ec9fd0a-0
01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:05.295
At the most remote end of the crypt there
appeared another less spacious Its walls

72f3209c-61cc-492e-9c5b-415a5ec9fd0a-1
01:45:05.295 --> 01:45:10.862
had been lined with human remains piled
to the vault overhead in the fashion of

72f3209c-61cc-492e-9c5b-415a5ec9fd0a-2
01:45:10.862 --> 01:45:12.880
the great catacombs of Paris.

04266368-e3ba-44c1-a5e4-b10df1fc5705-0
01:45:22.440 --> 01:45:26.560
Three sides of this interior crypt were
still ornamented in this manner.

4bf7641f-6d0b-4a30-be90-2070001cb9ae-0
01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:32.414
From the 4th the bones had been thrown
down and lay promiscuously upon the earth,

4bf7641f-6d0b-4a30-be90-2070001cb9ae-1
01:45:32.414 --> 01:45:34.880
forming at one point a mound of some size.

f543f5a4-129e-439e-9fd1-30e8626279d9-0
01:45:36.160 --> 01:45:41.280
Within the wall thus exposed by the
displacing of the bones,

f543f5a4-129e-439e-9fd1-30e8626279d9-1
01:45:41.280 --> 01:45:45.226
we perceived a still interior recess in
depth,

f543f5a4-129e-439e-9fd1-30e8626279d9-2
01:45:45.226 --> 01:45:48.920
about four feet in width 3IN height 6 or
7.

8a02bbd9-e4aa-4eec-a6cb-6ef4fdfae2cf-0
01:45:50.120 --> 01:45:54.195
It seemed to have been constructed for no
especial use within itself,

8a02bbd9-e4aa-4eec-a6cb-6ef4fdfae2cf-1
01:45:54.195 --> 01:45:58.854
but formed merely the interval between
two of the colossal supports of the roof

8a02bbd9-e4aa-4eec-a6cb-6ef4fdfae2cf-2
01:45:58.854 --> 01:46:01.707
of the catacombs,
and was backed by one of their

8a02bbd9-e4aa-4eec-a6cb-6ef4fdfae2cf-3
01:46:01.707 --> 01:46:03.920
circumscribing walls of solid granite.

2048cffb-9f74-4875-977a-ca6612fd9414-0
01:46:05.280 --> 01:46:09.200
It was in vain that Fortunato,
uplifting his dull torch,

2048cffb-9f74-4875-977a-ca6612fd9414-1
01:46:09.200 --> 01:46:12.640
endeavoured to pry into the depths of the
recess.

f836fada-37a5-403a-b565-a624566f1ebd-0
01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:17.920
It's termination the feeble light did not
enable us to see.

ecaa72a9-5afa-4da9-a400-b95e3a2942c8-0
01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:21.520
Proceed, I said.

83951a0a-9b2d-4698-a737-917613fb1278-0
01:46:22.360 --> 01:46:24.040
Herein is the Amontillado.

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01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:29.239
As for Lucasi, he is an ignoramus,
interrupted my friend,

87f7b840-5413-4171-9e76-4d531359b148-1
01:46:29.239 --> 01:46:35.080
as he stepped unsteadily forward,
while I followed immediately at his heels.

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01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:39.950
In an instant he had reached the
extremity of the niche, and,

5d4ce300-8369-42f3-bcca-726616bcef00-1
01:46:39.950 --> 01:46:44.520
finding his progress of rested by the
rock, stood stupidly bewildered.

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01:46:51.720 --> 01:46:54.400
A moment more and I had feted him to the
granite.

57ccf5e2-7822-4d26-a93f-bc68ca9cd059-0
01:46:55.640 --> 01:47:00.841
In its surface were two iron staples,
distant from each other about two feet

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01:47:00.841 --> 01:47:01.720
horizontally.

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01:47:02.720 --> 01:47:09.810
From one of these depended a short chain,
from the other a padlock throwing the

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01:47:09.810 --> 01:47:11.760
links about his waist.

47578ea3-00f4-4765-abf1-d549a1b69c75-0
01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:14.640
It was but the work of a few seconds to
secure it.

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01:47:15.280 --> 01:47:17.600
He was too much astounded to resist.

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01:47:19.960 --> 01:47:22.880
Withdrawing the key,
I stepped back from the recess.

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01:47:24.200 --> 01:47:27.560
Pass your hand, I said over the wall.

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01:47:28.480 --> 01:47:30.320
You cannot help feeling the knighter.

786283cb-aa08-47fc-a9b2-872702eb589a-0
01:47:31.240 --> 01:47:34.240
Indeed, it is very damp.

9bc39c9b-2de0-4bf3-b0f4-9650889a9cae-0
01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:39.000
Once more let me implore you to return.

288c05a9-5073-47d4-bb69-879696e48b04-0
01:47:40.160 --> 01:47:42.840
No, then I will positively leave you.

ec5e161b-35f2-4ff9-9274-d57499e33832-0
01:47:43.040 --> 01:47:47.880
But I must first render you all the
little attentions in my power.

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01:47:49.200 --> 01:47:54.520
The Amontillado ejaculated my friend,
not yet recovered from his astonishment.

d782d920-565c-490a-9abd-6d803fdf8cab-0
01:47:55.560 --> 01:47:59.400
True, I replied the Amontillado.

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01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:04.406
As I said these words,
I busied myself among the pile of bones

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01:48:04.406 --> 01:48:06.200
of which I have before spoken.

6bd77c03-bb73-46b1-86f2-cef6f134b076-0
01:48:07.240 --> 01:48:10.712
Throwing them aside,
I soon uncovered a quantity of building

6bd77c03-bb73-46b1-86f2-cef6f134b076-1
01:48:10.712 --> 01:48:11.680
stone and mortar.

a984d642-4c3a-4c5e-b0bb-4552ad3bdbe4-0
01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:17.032
With these materials,
and with the aid of my trowel,

a984d642-4c3a-4c5e-b0bb-4552ad3bdbe4-1
01:48:17.032 --> 01:48:21.800
I began vigorously to wall up the
entrance of the niche.

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01:48:29.200 --> 01:48:32.493
I had scarcely laid the first tier of my
masonry,

a64a86d1-3647-4727-9da0-069058a9727b-1
01:48:32.493 --> 01:48:37.696
when I discovered that the intoxication
of Fortunato had in great measure worn

a64a86d1-3647-4727-9da0-069058a9727b-2
01:48:37.696 --> 01:48:37.960
off.

813d795f-77d8-4218-a979-fb7c5ebd1e69-0
01:48:39.240 --> 01:48:44.657
The earliest indication I had of this was
a low moaning cry from the depth of the

813d795f-77d8-4218-a979-fb7c5ebd1e69-1
01:48:44.657 --> 01:48:45.120
recess.

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01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:49.880
It was not the cry of a drunken man.

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01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:54.040
There was then a long and obstinate
silence.

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01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:01.596
I laid the second tier, and the 3rd,
and the 4th,

d39d7c48-cc08-4f38-a4c7-683acd320cd7-1
01:49:01.596 --> 01:49:06.560
and then I heard the furious vibrations
of the chain.

450f1d1b-6c75-4350-8823-8b8f5108d3fd-0
01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:10.760
The noise lasted for several minutes,
during which,

450f1d1b-6c75-4350-8823-8b8f5108d3fd-1
01:49:10.760 --> 01:49:14.017
that I might hearken to it with the more
satisfaction,

450f1d1b-6c75-4350-8823-8b8f5108d3fd-2
01:49:14.017 --> 01:49:16.920
I ceased my labours and sat down upon the
bones.

1a140dbd-90c7-44ae-9d01-ba32bf0ae6ea-0
01:49:22.200 --> 01:49:27.583
When at last the clanking subsided,
I resumed the trowel,

1a140dbd-90c7-44ae-9d01-ba32bf0ae6ea-1
01:49:27.583 --> 01:49:34.080
and finished without interruption the 5th,
the 6th, and the 7th tier.

0db8786b-2026-4540-bbb6-00669d28fe74-0
01:49:35.560 --> 01:49:38.480
The wall was now nearly upon a level with
my breast.

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01:49:39.280 --> 01:49:43.739
I again paused, and,
holding the flambo over the Mason,

5e623808-3377-4909-a462-0b79aa7531f7-1
01:49:43.739 --> 01:49:48.120
work through a few feeble rays upon the
figure within.

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01:49:49.240 --> 01:49:54.532
A succession of loud and shrill screams,
bursting suddenly from the throat of the

ff510c8f-924d-49c5-afd6-9c58b4c7d772-1
01:49:54.532 --> 01:49:57.760
chained form,
seemed to thrust me violently back.

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01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:01.800
For a brief moment I hesitated.

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01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:03.880
I trembled.

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01:50:05.160 --> 01:50:09.576
Unsheathing my rapier,
I began to gripe with it about the recess,

f5428d15-a23b-43cb-ba15-9a5e706277da-1
01:50:09.576 --> 01:50:12.520
but the thought of an instant reassured
me.

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01:50:14.120 --> 01:50:19.760
I placed my hand upon the solid fabric of
the catacombs and felt satisfied.

db2a0cc6-0e74-432a-9f40-2dd17ad47765-0
01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:24.440
I reapproached the wall.

bda175cf-5fdc-4975-aab4-5af040e2f553-0
01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:28.000
I replied to the yells of him who
clamoured.

169576c0-9ec6-4b43-b51a-5091ecd0dccf-0
01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:30.760
I re echoed.

b2c3b65e-8495-45e1-bf1f-b36c023dfe03-0
01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:37.200
I aided,
I surpassed them in volume and strength.

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01:50:38.040 --> 01:50:41.920
I did this and the clamour grew still.

c5bd089f-c887-40b2-85e5-9c347081b0d3-0
01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:48.720
It was now midnight and my task was
drawing to a close.

194943bd-192c-4553-a427-926c90653b13-0
01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:55.080
I had completed the 8th, the 9th,
and the 10th tier.

acb06efd-d048-4289-a3ec-e46f713b346c-0
01:50:56.320 --> 01:50:59.080
I had finished a portion of the last and
the 11th.

ab530bb1-4e24-4ef1-af9f-49f7d7178bde-0
01:51:00.080 --> 01:51:04.640
There remained but a single stone to be
fitted and plastered in.

40c7388a-8f20-422f-9d6a-9ee38434c9f2-0
01:51:06.480 --> 01:51:08.160
I struggled with its weight.

cbf6b59d-d077-4244-9f11-0d0629854570-0
01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:12.760
I placed it partially in its destined
position.

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01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:15.760
But now they came out of the niche.

f152d628-39a3-4148-b301-541df1a39655-0
01:51:16.680 --> 01:51:23.995
A low laugh that erected the hairs upon
my head was succeeded by a sad voice,

f152d628-39a3-4148-b301-541df1a39655-1
01:51:23.995 --> 01:51:30.560
which I had difficulty in recognising as
that of the noble Fortunato.

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01:51:31.880 --> 01:51:33.000
The voice said.

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01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:40.760
A very good joke, indeed,
an excellent jest.

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01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:49.120
We will have many of which laugh about it
at the Palazzo over our wine.

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01:51:51.360 --> 01:51:53.720
The Monteado, I said.

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01:51:56.120 --> 01:51:58.040
Yes, the Amontillado.

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01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:01.640
But is it not getting late?

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01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:05.600
Will not they be awaiting us at the
Palazzo?

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01:52:06.320 --> 01:52:08.880
The Lady Fortunato and the rest?

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01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:10.720
Let us be gone.

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01:52:12.240 --> 01:52:14.280
Yes, I said.

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01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:19.800
Let us be gone, for the love of God,
Montressa.

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01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:25.640
Yes, I said, for the love of God.

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01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:29.800
But to these words I hearkened in vain
for a reply.

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01:52:31.120 --> 01:52:32.280
I grew impatient.

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01:52:33.280 --> 01:52:34.400
I called aloud.

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01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:39.880
Fortunato, no answer.

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01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:41.120
I called again.

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01:52:42.920 --> 01:52:47.080
Fortunato, no answer.

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01:52:47.080 --> 01:52:51.451
Still I thrust a torch through the
remaining aperture,

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01:52:51.451 --> 01:52:53.280
and let it fall within.

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01:52:55.080 --> 01:52:59.960
They came forth in return,
only a jingling of the bells.

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01:53:05.660 --> 01:53:11.220
My heart grew sick on account of the
dampness of the catacombs.

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01:53:13.300 --> 01:53:15.340
I hastened to make an end of my labour.

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01:53:16.460 --> 01:53:18.860
I forced the last stone into its position.

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01:53:18.860 --> 01:53:22.500
I plastered it up against the new masonry.

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01:53:22.500 --> 01:53:29.200
I re erected the old rampart of bones for
the half of a century.

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01:53:30.040 --> 01:53:32.600
No mortal has disturbed them.

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01:53:36.160 --> 01:53:38.480
Impache requires ****.

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01:53:48.630 --> 01:53:50.830
Well, thank you,
Edgar Allan Poe for your story.

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01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:56.040
Think we chose a good one there to read.

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01:53:56.040 --> 01:53:57.880
It had a few mentions of the niche.

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01:53:58.320 --> 01:54:00.320
So I feel like there was a bit of a
promotion.

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01:54:00.360 --> 01:54:02.840
Yeah, our new Patreon, 100%.

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01:54:02.840 --> 01:54:05.320
You know, that's what he was all about,
the head of his time.

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01:54:05.400 --> 01:54:08.812
Just just guys,
just come step into our niche like we

3ce22fa4-2ff8-4b97-aa79-a6b7127967f6-1
01:54:08.812 --> 01:54:12.920
promised not to like trap you in there
and kill you pinky swear.

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01:54:14.080 --> 01:54:18.672
So we hope you enjoyed that reading,
just a little little taste of Amontillado

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01:54:18.672 --> 01:54:22.160
and hopefully that encourages you to
sample the whole cask.

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01:54:22.160 --> 01:54:25.541
And if you did enjoy it,
then I would encourage you to get

2f2f1800-17ab-4715-9c37-b21767e247fc-1
01:54:25.541 --> 01:54:28.120
yourself down to the Edgar Allan Poe
Museum.

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01:54:28.280 --> 01:54:29.840
We have a little message from Chris.

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01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:33.935
So Chris, as we mentioned earlier,
is the curator of the Edgar Allan Poe

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01:54:33.935 --> 01:54:38.200
Museum who was so generous with his time
as to give us this wonderful list.

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01:54:38.640 --> 01:54:40.160
And we've got a little message from Chris.

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01:54:40.160 --> 01:54:41.320
Now let's play it.

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01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:47.960
Edgar Allan Poe has spread his dark
shadow across the globe.

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01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:52.648
But if you'd like to find out the origins
of the master of madness,

52996ff5-0890-4528-9024-44db2672fcb3-1
01:54:52.648 --> 01:54:56.792
melancholy murder in the macabre,
you'll have to come to Richmond, VA,

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01:54:56.792 --> 01:55:00.411
to see the Poe Museum,
the world's finest collection of Edgar

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01:55:00.411 --> 01:55:01.520
Allan Poe's things.

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01:55:02.280 --> 01:55:07.335
We have everything from the socks from
his feet to the hair in his head,

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01:55:07.335 --> 01:55:08.720
piece of his coffin.

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01:55:09.400 --> 01:55:13.640
It's the closest thing you'll get to
meeting Edgar Allan Poe in the flesh.

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01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:17.760
Find out more at poemuseum.org.

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01:55:19.840 --> 01:55:20.880
So thanks again, Chris.

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01:55:20.880 --> 01:55:23.960
And yeah,
if any of our listeners are anywhere near

ad149b63-aae1-4b55-bca8-89e7a77bb951-1
01:55:23.960 --> 01:55:27.160
Richmond, VA, the East Coast of the US,
check it out.

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01:55:27.360 --> 01:55:28.520
Yeah, it looks pretty cool.

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01:55:28.520 --> 01:55:29.320
I was on the website.

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01:55:29.320 --> 01:55:31.040
They do different events and stuff.

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01:55:31.360 --> 01:55:32.440
I'm a bit Jelly, actually.

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01:55:32.440 --> 01:55:33.200
I'd love to visit.

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01:55:33.400 --> 01:55:34.160
It's a long way.

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01:55:34.360 --> 01:55:36.326
I mean,
you can have a little looky loo and a bit

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01:55:36.326 --> 01:55:36.720
of coffin.

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01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:38.400
That's just a normal thing to do.

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01:55:38.520 --> 01:55:39.400
A bit of his coffin.

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01:55:39.400 --> 01:55:39.720
Yeah.

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01:55:39.720 --> 01:55:41.000
It's a story in itself, isn't it?

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01:55:42.240 --> 01:55:43.760
Just some of his teeth in a jar.

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01:55:44.200 --> 01:55:45.240
It's totally normal.

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01:55:45.240 --> 01:55:45.840
It's fine.

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01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:47.400
The place I would wanna get drunk at.

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01:55:47.400 --> 01:55:48.080
Let's put it that way.

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01:55:48.280 --> 01:55:49.960
They have, like, drinks.

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01:55:49.960 --> 01:55:50.360
Do they?

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01:55:50.360 --> 01:55:50.960
They do.

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01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:51.080
I.

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01:55:51.080 --> 01:55:51.920
That sounds fun.

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01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:53.480
Don't go too deep into the category.

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01:55:54.080 --> 01:55:54.920
So thank you, Chris.

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01:55:54.920 --> 01:55:57.040
And thank you, Edgar Allen Poe.

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01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.640
But now it's my turn to recommend
something to you.

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01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:02.120
I'm a bit out of practise.

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01:56:02.120 --> 01:56:03.040
It's been quite a while.

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01:56:03.080 --> 01:56:04.120
A long time.

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01:56:04.400 --> 01:56:06.960
The last thing I recommended was
adolescence.

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01:56:07.080 --> 01:56:07.280
Oh, wow.

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01:56:07.440 --> 01:56:08.240
Like a year ago.

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01:56:08.240 --> 01:56:08.640
Yeah.

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01:56:08.920 --> 01:56:09.120
Right.

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01:56:09.160 --> 01:56:09.520
OK.

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01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:10.400
Oh, God.

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01:56:10.480 --> 01:56:12.360
What have you been brewing up since then?

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01:56:12.400 --> 01:56:15.980
Yeah,
actually I had a book that is on my to

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01:56:15.980 --> 01:56:19.720
rec list, but I don't want to read a book,
OK.

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01:56:19.720 --> 01:56:22.588
And so it was kind of a both of us read
type of thing,

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01:56:22.588 --> 01:56:26.240
but I think we need a little bit of a
break and we need a bit of fun.

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01:56:26.320 --> 01:56:29.527
OK,
I'm going to recommend you ATV show that

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01:56:29.527 --> 01:56:30.240
I enjoyed.

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01:56:30.520 --> 01:56:33.200
I haven't watched it for a while,
so I'll watch it again with you.

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01:56:33.320 --> 01:56:33.520
OK.

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01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:37.301
On a past episode we spoke about
recommendations and TV shows,

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01:56:37.301 --> 01:56:39.120
can't remember which one it was.

db01b7d5-fdd0-45db-9461-8df4162d6c94-0
01:56:39.120 --> 01:56:42.800
And someone, maybe more than one person,
actually recommended this TV show.

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01:56:43.280 --> 01:56:45.040
And I remember you hadn't seen it at the
time.

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01:56:45.040 --> 01:56:46.320
So I'm hoping you still haven't seen it.

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01:56:46.320 --> 01:56:46.840
And maybe I can.

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01:56:46.920 --> 01:56:48.640
I never watch anything.

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01:56:48.640 --> 01:56:49.640
So I think you'd like it.

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01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:50.120
OK.

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01:56:50.400 --> 01:56:51.840
And the show is Fleabag.

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01:56:52.120 --> 01:56:52.400
OK?

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01:56:52.400 --> 01:56:53.040
No, I haven't.

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01:56:53.160 --> 01:56:53.520
OK.

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01:56:53.680 --> 01:56:55.560
My mum's mentioned Fleabag actually.

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01:56:56.080 --> 01:56:56.320
Hmm.

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01:56:56.320 --> 01:56:59.240
Is this are they Irish or am I getting
that confused?

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01:56:59.240 --> 01:57:00.160
No, I don't think so.

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01:57:00.160 --> 01:57:03.677
It's basically it's a show that is based
on AI Believe,

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01:57:03.677 --> 01:57:07.760
a stage show by Phoebe Waller Bridge and
adapted for ATV series.

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01:57:08.200 --> 01:57:11.864
And the first season was great and then
she came back for like the second season,

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01:57:11.864 --> 01:57:13.160
which is it was even greater.

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01:57:13.160 --> 01:57:15.520
And I think you'll actually love it so
much.

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01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:20.531
So you're purposely recommending me
something I'm going to enjoy very out of

e7c65945-7863-4a30-b500-bc65737d540e-1
01:57:20.531 --> 01:57:21.120
character.

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01:57:21.320 --> 01:57:21.840
Exactly.

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01:57:21.840 --> 01:57:23.400
It's a bit unusual for me.

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01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:27.299
So Fleabag, there's two seasons,
but they're only like UK seasons,

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01:57:27.299 --> 01:57:30.680
so 6 episodes each and I think they're
like 30 minute episodes.

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01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:32.640
So it's not a huge commitment and I think
you'll love it.

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01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:34.040
I'm overhyping it now.

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01:57:34.040 --> 01:57:36.360
Now I'm like setting you up for failure.

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01:57:36.360 --> 01:57:36.720
You are.

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01:57:36.720 --> 01:57:37.960
Because, you know, I've got ODD.

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01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:43.000
So we'll talk about that in about nine
months time, apparently.

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01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:47.360
I think we'll try and get back into a
regular rhythm, regular team.

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01:57:47.680 --> 01:57:48.520
Inverted commas.

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01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:49.320
Yeah, for sure.

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01:57:49.400 --> 01:57:50.320
I mean, I'm excited.

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01:57:50.320 --> 01:57:51.200
That sounds really good.

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01:57:51.200 --> 01:57:53.200
But now you've reminded me that I should
ask.

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01:57:53.200 --> 01:57:56.880
Like we've just been talking about PO and
I recommended that to you.

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Like, what's your overarching vibe?

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Were you happy?

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01:57:59.240 --> 01:58:00.920
Were you like,
how did you feel about that?

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01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:01.240
True.

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01:58:01.240 --> 01:58:02.920
We didn't do the stars summary.

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01:58:02.920 --> 01:58:03.600
We should have done that.

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01:58:03.600 --> 01:58:05.360
How many stars do I give PO3 stars?

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It was good.

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01:58:07.600 --> 01:58:10.089
Look,
we talk about PO like literally all the

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01:58:10.089 --> 01:58:10.360
time.

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01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:14.240
Literally every single episode we harp on
about PO,

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01:58:14.240 --> 01:58:19.840
and it's been a real oversight on our
part not to have spoken about him before.

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01:58:20.240 --> 01:58:24.842
So it's been great reading his stories
and really kind of connecting with the

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01:58:24.842 --> 01:58:29.680
person who brought us the single effect
that we so thoroughly love to talk about.

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01:58:30.240 --> 01:58:33.871
I think going forward,
when I do think about single effect,

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01:58:33.871 --> 01:58:37.624
I will think actually of Pose writing and
not just his words,

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01:58:37.624 --> 01:58:42.103
because these stories really do exemplify
what is meant by single effect,

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01:58:42.103 --> 01:58:44.040
and they're fun stories as well.

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01:58:44.040 --> 01:58:48.120
So I'm glad I read them and kind of had
this opportunity to go back to the source.

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01:58:48.120 --> 01:58:52.120
So 5 Raven wow, five.

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OK, all right, well,
I'm glad you loved it.

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MMM.

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So before we wrap up,
just a reminder about our Patreon.

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If you head on down,
click the link in the episode notes and

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check that out if you are interested.

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What else is coming up?

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01:59:04.040 --> 01:59:04.840
What else we've got on?

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I've got a bunch of workshops coming up,
which I'm really excited about South.

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01:59:08.080 --> 01:59:08.880
There's different ones.

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There are different durations couple of
hours full day, like whatever it might be.

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You can find all of the details of those
on We've got a new sort of what's on page

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01:59:17.757 --> 01:59:18.560
on our website.

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We do so dates, times,
locations and of course the pricing for

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each of those as well from each of those
various organisations.

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But I'm really excited.

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It's always a really lively time.

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01:59:29.040 --> 01:59:31.560
I feel like it's quite inspirational for
me as well.

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01:59:31.560 --> 01:59:34.070
We're all just talking about what we're
passionate about,

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learning some new tips and tricks and
it's suitable for anyone.

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01:59:36.840 --> 01:59:40.046
It doesn't matter if you're new to flash
fiction or if you've been doing it a long

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01:59:40.046 --> 01:59:40.240
time.

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01:59:40.240 --> 01:59:44.995
I think the experience of working through
those ideas seems to have, you know,

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01:59:44.995 --> 01:59:46.320
an effect on everyone.

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So I'm, I'm really,
really looking forward to that and I hope

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01:59:48.749 --> 01:59:50.160
some of you will be able to join me.

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01:59:50.240 --> 01:59:53.328
I do,
as we established early in this episode,

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love to meet my friends in real life.

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01:59:55.760 --> 01:59:57.560
So hopefully we get that opportunity.

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01:59:58.080 --> 02:00:00.520
And I've sat in on one of your courses as
well.

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02:00:00.520 --> 02:00:02.760
And it's a lot of fun for everyone
involved.

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Yeah, I think it's it's a good vibe.

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It's always a good time.

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I think just anytime you're switching off
from the day to day and delving into your

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creativity is always just a really
refreshing experience.

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And we'll be back soon with more flash
fiction content and more regular episodes.

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02:00:18.400 --> 02:00:19.800
All the stuff that you love.

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But until then, right on, right on.

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Something doesn't seem quite right.

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So you asked about the Allen thing before
that Edgar Allen and you're like if you'd

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02:00:57.664 --> 02:00:59.920
pick the name Allen what a **** ***.

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Anyway that's his adoptive parents name.

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So when he was like 2 his parents ******
off.

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Like I think his mum died and his dad
abandoned her.

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They were artistes, actors I think,
and his dad abandoned the mum and then

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02:01:13.043 --> 02:01:17.627
the mum passed away and then an adoptive
family took him in and so he took their

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surname.

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All right, Which was Alan.

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So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Sorry, didn't mean to offend you.

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You did.

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You've got popcorn on your shoulder.

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So I don't know.

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I can't take you seriously.

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It's gone now.

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It's like having a chip on your shoulder,
but it's popcorn.

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02:01:32.400 --> 02:01:33.760
I don't know what that says about you.

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02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:41.680
Is that popcorn on your shoulder or in
depth?

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02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:50.960
About four feet in width, 3IN height,
6 or 7 ahead of his time.

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I was the wine sparkled in his eyes and
the bells jingled.

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02:01:56.600 --> 02:01:59.520
What kind of ******** is walking around
with a jingly bell hat?

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02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:00.000
What he's wearing?

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02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:04.960
He's wearing like a ******* tights and
bells and he's like, yeah, freaking.

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02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:07.160
She's not such a ********.

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02:02:07.320 --> 02:02:09.960
People still like man just got about
bells.

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02:02:09.960 --> 02:02:14.520
I mean it's it's a carnival but like
******* take the hat off mate.

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02:02:15.280 --> 02:02:19.040
I'm totally on this guy's side if for no
other reason than the hat.

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02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:22.600
He repeated the movement a grotesque 1.

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02:02:22.760 --> 02:02:24.520
Is he doing the **** *** motion?

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02:02:24.640 --> 02:02:25.720
Like what is he doing?

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02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:29.280
He's like he threw the bottle upwards
with a gesticulation.

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02:02:29.280 --> 02:02:30.160
I did not understand.

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02:02:30.160 --> 02:02:30.640
I looked at him.

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02:02:30.640 --> 02:02:31.360
He threw the bottle up.

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02:02:31.360 --> 02:02:40.240
My do not come bad, not Dothy,
not pick up what I put down.

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02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:46.200
We are in the catacombs, are we not?

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02:02:46.680 --> 02:02:49.440
What takes place in the catacombs stays.

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02:02:52.640 --> 02:02:55.640
This tale of revenge is taking an
unexpected turn.

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02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:57.760
That's pretty sure.

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02:02:58.200 --> 02:03:00.760
I would be surprised we're not the fifth
time.